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[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache….." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. 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[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it.", ">\n\nHas Brazil asked for him yet?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it.", ">\n\nHas Brazil asked for him yet?", ">\n\nReally? You don't think this comment is a way to steer perceived blame from Biden to Trump? I do." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it.", ">\n\nHas Brazil asked for him yet?", ">\n\nReally? You don't think this comment is a way to steer perceived blame from Biden to Trump? I do.", ">\n\nIn hospital? Saw him eating take out fried chicken on a pic on first day in US. Probably got upset tummy." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it.", ">\n\nHas Brazil asked for him yet?", ">\n\nReally? You don't think this comment is a way to steer perceived blame from Biden to Trump? I do.", ">\n\nIn hospital? Saw him eating take out fried chicken on a pic on first day in US. Probably got upset tummy.", ">\n\nLarga a cachaça." ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it.", ">\n\nHas Brazil asked for him yet?", ">\n\nReally? You don't think this comment is a way to steer perceived blame from Biden to Trump? I do.", ">\n\nIn hospital? Saw him eating take out fried chicken on a pic on first day in US. Probably got upset tummy.", ">\n\nLarga a cachaça.", ">\n\nbut but but brazil first has to submit an extradition request isn’t it? and to do that they need to have evidence that this clown was responsible for the riots, isn’t it?" ]

[ "Without a request from the other country, that's called deportation.", ">\n\nSpot on - def. not extradition (yet). We don't know what kind of visa Bolsonaro is using, but where he's no longer a foreign dignitary, it can probably be revoked for any number of minor reasons.", ">\n\nIt is likely an A1 visa from when he was president. He came into the US prior to Lula being sworn in. So he still had his A1 which wouldn't be revoked until he wasn't president any longer.", ">\n\nBut he isn't president anymore, so that means he should be reported regardless right?", ">\n\nHe has 30 days to apply for a new one. So until 30 days are up the easiest thing for the US to do is nothing and just keep the rules in place, things become trickier once the US either has to approve a new visa, deport him, or if he is charged in Brazil extradite him or offer asylum.", ">\n\nDon’t you have to leave the country first and reapply if your visa expires?", ">\n\nI'm guessing what rules they decide to follow are completely up to the president right now.\nThis is a highly political event that will be handled however the state department and president see most advantageous.", ">\n\nStandard business practice: politics trumps rules and laws.", ">\n\nOh boy, yet another article assuming the president has sweeping dictatorial powers!\nBiden cannot unilaterally extradite Bolsonaro. Brazil must request it, a federal court must approve it, and then Biden can extradite him.", ">\n\nHonest question: could he make a decree revoking Bolsonaro's visa? Or something like that...", ">\n\nThat is something to be investigated. Bolsonaro used an A1/2 visa (diplomatic) when he entered the US, as he was at the time still president . \nAll diplomatic visa are strictly related to the diplomatic status, meaning, if one loses the diplomatic function, the visa is immediately null. The individual has to apply for a new visa within 3 ~~or 6~~ months .\nWhich means, right now, Bolsonaro doesn't have ANY visa hahaha\nEdit:\nAccording to this his A1 is nullified as soon as he lost his official diplomatic function (well he isn't president anymore). So his A1 is invalid, but someone has to manually cancel it, as A1 visas don't expire. \nThe day before his A1 visa cancelation, he has 90 days to get another visa or get out of the US, according to this\nEdit 2:\nOkay, things are moving fast ahahaha. It's official, asap one loses it's A1 visa, the time to leave the US or get another visa is 30 days, source", ">\n\nGod-damned illegal immigrants.", ">\n\nHe’ll be on the next migrant bus to marthas vineyard", ">\n\nYou mean mar-a-lago.", ">\n\nYou mean Kamala’s house.", ">\n\nNo, I mean that place where all the stolen documents were seized. You remember, right?", ">\n\nDude is already at mar-a-lago. The joke is about the migrant buses", ">\n\nand the other joke was likely a play on words due to the similarity between the words “Martha’s Vineyard” and “Mar-a-Lago”", ">\n\nIt’s not to extradite. It’s expulsion.\nHe is there “legally” (entered the country in a valid presidential passport) and no charges have been brought YET", ">\n\nTechnically he's no longer a head of state so they could revoke his visa.", ">\n\nYep and he would be illegal and expelled \nExtradition is a different procedure", ">\n\nHe wouldn't. He has 30 days after they revoke his A1.", ">\n\nAha didn’t know that", ">\n\nDid I miss that Brazil officially charged him with anything?", ">\n\nYeah they haven't charged him, just people jumping the gun and not understanding what's going on. I'm curious as to how this will shake out though, Bolsonaro seems somewhat detached from all this. It's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings, we have enough history meddling in elections of Latin American countries.", ">\n\n\nIt's also not a good look for the US to be anything but neutral in these proceedings,\n\nutter bs. its a cowardly stance for the us to take, a stance of indifference to fascism and corruption, and that trash is what bolsonaro represents", ">\n\nBut what is he doing right now? That’s to be determined, there’s not even proof hes involved", ">\n\nBan him from all Brazilian steakhouses", ">\n\nI’m calling on Fogo de Chão (and Olive Garden for that matter) to declare him persona non grata", ">\n\nThat would be hilarious. But i think he would go to Nusret, even Nicholas Maduro received vip treatment there.", ">\n\nI wonder if he's staying at Mar a Lago", ">\n\nHe is staying at Jose Aldo’s house, a former UFC fighter\nEdit: in Orlando", ">\n\nOk I hate Bolsonaro but this is ridiculous.\nFirst and fore most he hasn't been charged with any crimes. For expedition to even be on the table Brazil would have to try him and find him guilty or at the very least ask him to return for a trial. If and only if he refuses to return would this be an option.\nSecondly Biden can't wave his hand and make this happen. That's what a dictator could do. Extradition would involve numerous elected government officials", ">\n\nPretty sure it would require the approval of a federal judge but could be wrong", ">\n\nWhat an inept headline. I came here expecting Bolsonaro to have been charged with something because otherwise the word \"extradite\" is being used incorrectly. Sure enough ...", ">\n\nTit-for-that, send George Santos too as a special bonus gift.", ">\n\nBogo on corrupt politicians!", ">\n\nWhy would he be extradited? What has he been charged with worthy of an extradition?", ">\n\nWhy did he even come to the US? What is he expecting the outcome to be? There's zero incentive to shelter him.", ">\n\nBiden can't extradite anyone.", ">\n\nExtradite him for what? He's not been charged with a crime yet and Brazil hasn't requested the US do anything. \nDid everyone just suddenly forget what extradition is?", ">\n\nYou assume the majority of people knew what a specific legal term requiring international law enforcement cooperation meant to begin with.", ">\n\nwhy tf is he even in the us? does he have us citizenship?", ">\n\nHe has a visa.", ">\n\nThe trump right wing of the US is in total silence - fox news posted an article about the storm and hid it from being visual on its webpage - some state trumpers even supported the storm", ">\n\nITT: Trumpers “Isn’t he here legally?”, “Has he been charged for anything?”\nHis visa is not valid. He can be deported anytime and should be.", ">\n\nHe was in a Florida Publix not long ago. Let’s grab him while he waits in line for fried chicken in the deli.", ">\n\nNot to wish harm for others, but can you imagine him in a Florida man headline? \n\"Florida man kills ousted Brazilian leader with a McDonald's cup after thinking that was the key to immortality\"", ">\n\n\"Florida man on bath salts bender kills former dictator, eats face, commits indignity to body\"", ">\n\nFortunately bolsonaro never fullfilled his dream of being a dictator.", ">\n\nLet’s take care of Trump first to show the world we can. Right now we haven’t.", ">\n\nOh man, Trump walking around a free man is the poop on the American Flag.", ">\n\nHe should be asked to leave the usa. We don't need to get mixed up in this problem.", ">\n\nThrow in Santos", ">\n\nI keep seeing this but is there any proof he did anything?", ">\n\nHe enter the US on a visa issued to a head of country, it is no longer valid. So he can be asked to leave at any point.", ">\n\nSend the idiot back or to Guantanamo", ">\n\nAnd he suddenly is hospitalized. How convenient", ">\n\nThe headline casts it like Biden is under popular pressure to protect this lying riotist.", ">\n\nHe’s a criminal hiding out in the US. He must face the consequences. Extradite this tired fascist rag. His country wants him back. He gonna pay for his behavior.", ">\n\nWe will see him in Russia soon", ">\n\nHes going to italy because he has the VISA for it and italy is right wing.", ">\n\nI am a little lost here. The guy is in another country, on another continent, over 3,000 miles away eating at KFC and he is somehow responsible for the acts back at home? How does this make sense?", ">\n\nThere is a thing today called \"instant communication\", it can be achieved by phone, computer and several similar other means. \nOr through another angle: do you think these people just spontaneously rioted? How long do you think it took to organize it?", ">\n\nso is there an evidence of him phone communicating with the protesters and inciting them?", ">\n\nHe is being investigated. My point is he being 3000 miles away counts for nothing.", ">\n\nis he being investigated? I haven't seen any news about him being investigated.", ">\n\nThey want to arrest him because he was the biggest right-winged icon to rise to Power in the last couple decades. They wanna arrest him on pretentious charges, probably \"treason\", \"genocide\", \"fascism\" or some weird shit. Half the country might agree (the one that voted for Lula) - and the other half surely does not. \nThere has been some suspicious acts happening in the last few months regarding the supreme court and a seemingly increasing abuse in authority coming from one of it's ministers, Alexandre de Moraes, sending arrest warrants for jornalists of the opposition, fining people based on \"crime of opinion\" among other things. It's worth noting that one of the current government's promises was to regulate the freedom of speech of the press and online.\nBasically, anyone with more than Just a few braincells can realize that besides political bias, they have the means to judge anyone guilty of anything and execute arrests and what not from their high positions. No one is safe. Unfortunatelly, the leftists that swarm Reddit won't Tell you that.\nI won't really reply to anyone trying to flame me for my opinion, Just wanted to shoot this out and show that our country isn't just filthy communists.", ">\n\nthis account has dozens of huge comments defending Bolsonaro using the delusional narrative that you can find in /r/brasilivre. Got better things to do.\n*edit dozens in the last hours", ">\n\nIt's good that his extradiction is gaining support but I don't think the Biden administration will do it untill we actually ask for it, as dumb as it sounds he is still an ex-president whith a lot of possible serious charges against his name so it's a matter of sovereignty how he gets sent back. If the U.S. extradicts him on it's own, it's Brazil ceding and judging a former president because the U.S. told us to do so, once we request extradiction it's the U.S. helping us charge a possible criminal and insurrectionist.", ">\n\nBy definition he can’t be extradited until it’s legally requested.", ">\n\nSend George Santos with him while we’re at it.", ">\n\nAs a Brazilian that does not support him, im pretty sure he Will Go to jail for all of the crimes and atrocities that he said and did during his presidential run. He is truly one of the worst, most vile and dumb politicians of our country and of the modern world. Fuck this coward.", ">\n\nTake Santos while you are at it.", ">\n\nHit him with the reverse extra-judicial rendition flight. The US does it all the time.", ">\n\nThis bugs me like you wouldn't believe. These are politicians urging this and they don't even know the rules. They just go by their feelings. Extradition requires an extradition request. Expelling this clown requires information that he actually committed a crime in this. Right now, none of that has happened. I don't like this man either, but we have to follow the law. If we don't, we go down a very slippery and ugly slope.", ">\n\nIt's probably just signalling anyway. Let Bolsanero know he's not welcome and make him leave for Italy. Make him somebody else's problem, in other words.", ">\n\nThe Brazilian government should also request the extradition of Bannon and Miller as they helped foment this insurrection…", ">\n\nI was wondering why he would go to Florida. I'm fairly sure we have an extradition treaty with Brazil. Then I realized he was just wanting to hangout with his buddies trump and desantis and a nazi clan rally", ">\n\nYoure lying so clearly you dont know the bare minimum about our politics, please stop making shit up", ">\n\nHell he's here already, He is visiting his pal DeSantis.", ">\n\nTrump and Bolsonaro should be arrested at the same time. It would be glorious. It should be today. No more time should be wasted. We cannot allow these fascist motherfuckers have another day of freedom, living in luxury they do not deserve.", ">\n\nFascism? You dont even know what that word means.\nif you know the bare minimum about brazillian politics you should know that the left censors everyone who is slightly right and jails reporters.\nIts also the same party that did one of the biggest corruption scandals in history and raised congress salary and taxes as soon as it could.\nIts also the party that bribes the biggest TV channel so that the ignorant uneducated brazillian population can watch 24 hours.", ">\n\nEverything you said is a lie", ">\n\nWhy? Is he living here illegally?", ">\n\nDid he get charged in Brazil yet?", ">\n\nAhh thats why he suddenly went to hospital with a tummy ache, poor little Bolsoboo", ">\n\nBolsonaro was stabbed in the abdomen during an assassination attempt a few years ago and suffers chronic complications from the injury", ">\n\npoor guy... /s", ">\n\nbro", ">\n\nWhat?", ">\n\nIn less than 10 days, Lula's government already wants to arrest his rival and extradite him based on flimsy claims.\nAll the while evading prison from being a corrupt piece of s***.\nWhos the real dictator wannabe here?", ">\n\nPlease stop making shit up on the internet", ">\n\nExcept he is a criminal and was let go based on technicalities and you know it. The Workers Party (Lula's party) is trying to put him behind bars.", ">\n\nThe judge colluded with the prosecution agaisnt Lula, hows that a technicality? The trial was literally bullshit which is why after the annulment the charges were dropped.\nAnd ill believe the government is trying to extradite bolsonaro when they actually charge him of something which they havent done yet.\nAgain, please stop making shit up on the internet.", ">\n\nHe came as president of Brazil, presumably with a A-1 visa. He is no longer president of Brazil, invalidating the visa. There is no visa-free travel between US and Brazil. \nHe is an illegal immigrant here illegally.\nFlorida, how do you feel about that?", ">\n\nThat's not how it works", ">\n\nBolsonaro is a criminal, who instigated violence for 4 years and what happened in Brazil yesterday was the result of these crimes.\nBolsonaro must be extradited, to be arrested in Brazil. He's on the run in Florida", ">\n\nHe's not charged with a crime or anything. Can't just pick somebody up and extradite them. That doesn't make sense.", ">\n\nBut if he came on a diplomatic visa, it would be invalid now because he is no longer head of state. That means he’s here illegally, and can be deported (or, alternatively, put on a plane to Martha’s Vineyard…)", ">\n\nDo you honestly believe the US customs would have allowed him to enter if that was the case?", ">\n\nHe could have had a different visa. I don’t know. It could very well be a tourist visa so he can go to Disney World. \nEveryone is speculating, myself included.", ">\n\nI thought he already lost his diplomatic visa? Can't he just be deported? You'd think Trump wouldn't want an illegal immigrants hanging out around his precious mar-a-lago", ">\n\nHe has some days left before he’s illegal", ">\n\nAh okay", ">\n\nThe hilarity of Americans demanding Brazil request an extradition for a event they have absolutely nothing to do with.", ">\n\nThe thing is that Bolsonaro has nothing to do with what happened in Brazil's capital. The thing is that our supreme court just can't care about our constitution and are in the purge of anyone who criticize then because of it.\n Bolsonaro's party tried in our Supreme Electoral Court to say something about the elections and they penalized the party with a 22,3 millions of Brazilian's Real. The funny thing is that the president of that court practically declared war against Bolsonaro since 2019 censoring some of Bolsonaro's suporters and also censoring an media outlet here. \nThat took an decision of an plea bargain, where Marcelo Odebrecht CEO or something/owner of Odebrecht, an construction company, that was involved with the criminal acts of Lula back in his first government. This history is long and has things back in 2003 to 2022. Making things short.\nOur supreme court canceled all accusations against Lula because the Zip code where it was judged in the beginning. He was convicted back in the day for over 12 judges. But now the can't be judge because the crimes had expired the time that it could be judged. So he managed to run against Bolsonaro, thanks to the help our supreme court that released him. The funfact is that almost all of the judges of our supreme court was selected by his party. Only 3 aren't. \nHalf of Brazilians does not believe in our electoral system, as it can't be make any kind of audit vote-to-vote. Back in 2016 our congress managed to vote to add some kind o proof of the vote. Like an printer that could print the vote to be counted later if needed. But our supreme court counted it as against our constitution. Yet last year we tried, again, in our congress to vote again about it. But one of the Judges of our supreme court has make some lobby with the congress men. Most of our congress men can be sued buy our supreme court. Our court tries to silence anyone who puts any kind of doubt about our electoral system. Here this is some kind of religious dogma.\nSome pleople have desitions of court judge but they don't even know what they have done wrong.\nWhat is happening here is really close with what happened at Venezuela and theirs supreme court . We are in the brink of an dictatorship like Venezuela. That's why people are clamming for over 4 years to our supreme court stop the judiciary activism and persecution. And the \"president\" of Brazil in 2023 (that could or could not had won the election) really likes the Idea of legislate the media to, as he would say, democratize the media.\nIf any of you are interested, you should read some of our outlets that isn't main stream, as they are aligned with our supreme court and with Lula, as they even acted as his public relationship.\nBrazil, nowadays, looks a lot like Orwell's world. With a little of Franz Kafka's.", ">\n\nI’m no Lula or Bolsonaro but I noticed a pattern in your text that’s the exact same pattern from every right wing around the world: “Taking aggressive and concrete actions against an abstract reality in the present/future that you guys can’t really see, only observe and guess”. It’s basically tribal hysteria and paranoia, similar to what happens in churches. No wonder why religion, Theosophy and right wing wall side by side. RW nowadays are just so full of anger that you’re all becoming literally delusional. And it’s a pity, because right wing has always been known for being the most rational and logically accurate side of politics.\nLeft wing doesn’t escape from that either, let’s be honest. There’s so much shit going on there that they’re not even delusional anymore, they’re probably in another planet. Obviously their actions in the recent years have contributed for where the right wing is today, but imho what’s going on with RW nowadays is way more destructive (in every single layer) than LW just because of one single emotion: Anger.", ">\n\nIf you were in brazil youd know.\nThe reason that the right takes action against abstract reality is because the right is the REACTIONARY movement, how else are we to do politics?\nI can confirm that it is not paranoia, are you a brazillian? Because if you saw live what was happening here maybe others would call you paranoid as well, were in a dictatorship already.", ">\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and say what everyone's thinking: Bolsonaro's \"digestive issue\" is a fake, and he's just trying to keep from getting extradited. Soon he'll be convalescing at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nits not the first time he plays that card either", ">\n\nIf dude's in Florida, I promise he'll be the excuse for some major DeSantis flexing. DeSantis isn't going to let the government take him without a large fight, in front of the media.", ">\n\nBut his tummy is hurt", ">\n\nYoure making fun of a guy that got stabbed? I doubt you would make that joke if it were (insert your politician here) \nStill though, funny.", ">\n\nWell duh. He should have been the moment he tried to step foot here", ">\n\nBrazil is a shit hole. Corruption comes from all sides.", ">\n\nOne side much strongly.", ">\n\nI’d like photos of him on the tarmac boarding a military plane in leg irons.", ">\n\nCome on AOC your smarter than this. You know the law and this was a stupid comment to make. Unless Brazil asks for him back he is legally here.", ">\n\nI don’t know if AOC actually said “extradite” him. \nThe USA has brought latitude to decide who we allow in and who we don’t. We can say “you’re not welcome here” to just about anyone for any reason; and they must leave. They don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here.", ">\n\nExtradite from Florida", ">\n\nWait. Did he seek fucking refuge to here?!", ">\n\nPretty sure there was a video of him walking through a grocery store in Florida on r/PublicFreakout a couple of days ago.", ">\n\nThey need to send his ass packing", ">\n\nSend him home.", ">\n\nI heard he sold The Amazon", ">\n\nDeport him under title 42. It's my understanding that he's been admitted to the hospital with \"abdominal pain\". Could be communicable. Sounds like he needs to go!", ">\n\nWhen does Ron fly his illegal ass up to Martha’s Vineyard?", ">\n\nHe shouldn’t be on US soil anyway, the fascist cunt.", ">\n\nHow about we take care of our traitors first then focus on others", ">\n\nRelease him into the god damn atmosphere", ">\n\nAll ex president criminal right wing fascists live in Florida.", ">\n\nShouldn’t we fucking prosecute trump before we talk about how other countries should handle their democracy? I don’t know that we have the moral high ground at the moment.", ">\n\nTrump, and his cabal of senators are still free. We have no business legislating other countries responses to this type of incident.", ">\n\nHe’s hiding at Mar-a-Lago.", ">\n\nBiden and Garland will absolutely protect this fascist piece of shit and his cohorts from extradition (yes, if and when requested, you nitpicky nerds) just like the US has protected every other fascist who has fled here.", ">\n\nExtraditing him to US for Brazilian political matters?", ">\n\nHe is currently here in Florida. Brazil would ask us to deport him back to Brazil if they want to.", ">\n\nBut he is Brazillian so why do you need to deport him back to his country?", ">\n\nSomeone like Bolsonaro probably has no problem getting a visa extension, so if Brazil wants him to return, they can't show up here and take him. The US would send its own agents and then fly him back to Brazil and hand him over to the authorities there. He's done nothing wrong according to US law so unless Brazil wants him to return, he's free to stay here. \nAnd that's how extradition works.", ">\n\nBut why? He was not at the riots and did not incite the riots.", ">\n\nBolsonaro will be jailed for the rest of his life:\nActive corruption: 2 to 12 years in jail\nPassive corruption: 1 to 8 years in jail\nEmbezzlement: 2 to 12 years in jail\nSedition: 4 to 8 years in jail\nTerrorism: 12 to 30 years in jail\nAiding the drug deal: 3 to 10 years in jail\nSpread pathogen: 2 to 4 years in jail\nIncitement: 3 to 6 months in jail\nObstruction of justice: 3 to 8 years in jail\nCriminal gang formation: 1 to 3 years in jail\nDefamation: 6 months to 2 years in jail\nAggravated murder: 12 to 30 years in jail *If there are enough proof that he hired the mercenaries to kill Marielle Franco.", ">\n\nDont worry STF dont even care about the consitution they do whatever they want with bolsonaro if moraes gets his hands on him", ">\n\n1-I'm Brazilian and a political activist.\n2-The only things that are censored are misinformation and incitement 'cause it's illegal. They are not censored by the left, but by the justice.\n3-Lula is inocent, even most of worldwide respected jurists like Susan Rose Ackerman agree with that. There is no proof to the crimes that some people say that he did. If he embezzled billions, so where is this money?\n3-Bolsonaro is the MOST CORRUPT president that Brazil ever had. Look at the covid vaccine scandals, the Education Ministry scandal, the overpriced public contracts, his link with some mafias from Rio, his wealth with no known legal sources, his 40 million spending on the corporative card.\n4-Bolsonaro will be jailed 4 life.", ">\n\nMisinformation shouldnt be illegal, thats called fascism.\nLula is corrupt, I cant believe anyone in brazil believes otherwise, his entire party is corrupt and hes only not corrupt because of the zip code error in the beginning\nThe laws are heavily manipulated to punish the right by the STF. \nFor foreigners, 8/11 of the supreme court was nominated by Lula, and the STF unsuprisingly made him innocent, sued bolsonaro for 22,3 million, Jailed journalists and politicians.\nI cant believe anyone in this world thinks misinformation should be illegal, how do you prove if misinformation is legal or not? That law can be so manipulated its crazy, nobody in the world has the right to decide what is true and what isnt, thats called dictatorship, ITS IN THE WORD: DICTATOR, ONE THAT DICTATES.", ">\n\nOne of the most corrupt governmenta In the world \"America\" getting involved in others politics...lol yeh that always ends well", ">\n\nDoesnt he get an extradition hearing or something, this should be up to the court system not whoever the president is. We cant just pick and choose when we follow the laws", ">\n\nHe wont because the US sides with the fascist bolsonaro", ">\n\nMy question is has he actually done something? Did he did a trump and riled up the people tondo something? From what I remember and I don't see a lot of news he didn't even said anything after his loss and the picture of him that I saw he just looked like a defeated man.", ">\n\nHe probably applied for a change in status which allows him an extension", ">\n\nBolsonaro and Santos for a late 6th round homeless man and future considerations.", ">\n\nRIOTS \n(capital riots)", ">\n\nWell he is an illegal immigrant after all.", ">\n\nAnd now he has a tummy ache…..", ">\n\nBolsonaro is in the hospital with abdominal pain.", ">\n\nAnd also save money by putting him on the same flight with George Santos.", ">\n\nThe Biden administration can deport Bolsonaro, to extradite him though would require an official request from the Brazilian government.", ">\n\nI’m out of the loop, was he even involved in the attack? I thought he was hanging out in FL, eating KFC.", ">\n\nNo, but there is a kind of mystical thinking on Reddit where all things the are bad are attributable to the bad person you don't like regardless of the absence of substantiating evidence. It's like 90s Christian moms and how Harry Potter came from Satan.", ">\n\nsend him back", ">\n\nI don’t think he head anything to do with it.", ">\n\nAnd throw in Santos as a free gift", ">\n\nHate to say it, but Bolsonaro can legit play the Shaggy Defense.", ">\n\nWhat U.S. law was broken that would\nJustify this? Can’t Brazil handle their own problems? Don’t we have enough without importing more?", ">\n\nWe just have to wait two years or so before we start looking into extraditing him. While he waits, he can feel free to try out his hand in US politics. /s", ">\n\nI just hope that if/when we do, it doesn’t backfire and he doesn’t pull a Lenin.", ">\n\nIt enrages me that this mother fucker is a day trip by car away from me.", ">\n\nI’m very upset that that trash is even on our soil", ">\n\nHe doesn't even go here.", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nNo let them take of their own trash,we don't need another tyrant claiming asylum.for his dirty \n deeds", ">\n\nThey should", ">\n\nCan we also extradite trump…", ">\n\nAs much as i dislike Trump, i don't think you know what extradite means. Where would you send him? He's American.", ">\n\nBecause he is standing up to corruption , democrats are so blind . Will follow anything they are told. These people want a better life. Americans sit behind their computer screens criticizing citizens of another country for a situation they have not lived through and know nothing about", ">\n\naaaand you got downvoted, its funny how the democrats were the type of people that thought \"USA shouldnt be involved internationally\" but then say this shit.", ">\n\nIdiotic. About 1/2 of Brazil’s people voted for the guy. Let’s make most of them hate us.", ">\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.", ">\n\n\nThe 1/2 of Brazil that voted for him is human trash, for them to hate us means we’re doing something right.\n\nyou do know the half that didnt vote him voted for the guy (who won) whose's campaign was based in reminding people how the US threw goverments in south america left and right for decades and to never let it happen again, a socialist party of sorts. The ones who despise americans won, Bolsonaro was pro america which is why he ran off there. \nRemember that.", ">\n\nI don’t care how much they love America if they’re fascists. They can go kick rocks and so can you if you like Bolsonaro.", ">\n\nDo you even know the definition of fascism? Please, search it up, then look at bolsonaro.\nPlease stop spouting that word around like its nothing,\n you communist.", ">\n\nLula is keeping 1,2k inocente people(elders and even child) locked at a Federal Police sports stadium without water and food for more than 16 h now, those people were camping in front of military bases and weren't involved on the riot, please be aware that Biden is supporting this when he support any kind of \"demand\" of this fake government of Brazil that is in reality a newborn dictatorship! \nStop been so naive, Brazilians that live abroad and non residents of Brazil have no right to say anything about anyone on this country or support this dictator that Lula is.", ">\n\nAnything you guys hear is a lie. I live in brazil. The media is lying to you guys, only we know what is truly going on. Bolsonaro is a hero to us all, he is trying to save this country from turning into what today is venezuela. Guys please dont trust these sources they are all linked with the brazilian democratic party which also happens to be the party lula is from (the alcoholic man who went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the Brazilian reserve and for being connected to the gang comando vermelho)", ">\n\nGet lost, loser.", ">\n\nI hope youre not brazillian, then at least you'd be ignorant instead of a dumbass.", ">\n\nFuck the law, I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine.", ">\n\nThis thinking is dangerous.", ">\n\nAmen", ">\n\nBolsonaro was almost killed by a radical leftie when he got stabbed. Take the blinders off and try to see it as a human being and not a ideologue . It’s scary how the US is so divided . Sorry but the facts show our left has gone off the rails . The Brazilians want audit to be conducted but that is considered attacking democracy . What a bunch of crap . Biden is 80 yrs old and has been a fricken disaster but everything is Trumps fault and Bolsonaro is equivalent in Brazil . Bolsonaro was loved by millions and those supporters have every right to suspect a fraudulent election . The Supreme Court in Brazil has been crushing the political opponents of Lula . The left in Brazil is going to violently crush the Bolsonaro supporters just because that’s what people in power that fear it’s own citizens . Castro did it , Stalin did it , And Biden has had its hand in the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners . I fear for the people of Brazil . They are so desperate they seem willing to sacrifice their lives and stand up to Lula . He already has them Locked up in Gymnasiums . Hope he is providing food and water and sanitary bathroom accommodations. I know the left would be demanding fair treatment if it was it’s own but when it’s their opponents they look the other way", ">\n\nBiden's too busy trying to come up with a lame ass excuse for screwin around with classified documents while he was VP.", ">\n\nHmmmmm", ">\n\nThis is bait, imo. The reason Trump adjacents baited Bolsonaro into inducing an election riot is because they want a \"corrupt, poor, foreign\" (how the Trumpers will describe Brazil) country to charge a former president with exactly what Trump should get charged for.\nDouble down by forcing it onto front page news by Brazil having him extradited by Biden.\nNow, instead of the story being about Trump causing Jan 6, it's about America acting like a \"shit hole third world dictatorship\" (if the DOJ charges Trump). \nMight work too... Brazil is likely to move much faster charging Bolsonaro because they don't have the same norms against moving quickly in politically fraught criminal charges.", ">\n\nI don’t know all that much about the situation but is bolsonaro really guilty here? Man seems to have run away to the US in shame, doesn’t seem like he was responsible for anything here.\nSecondly perhaps it’s better be not be in Brazil at all. Exile him.", ">\n\n\nthey vow to punish someone else for exact same crimes\n\nWhen did this happen?", ">\n\nYou can’t extradite someone for a crime that is not also a crime in America, and it’s obvious starting a coup of assholes isn’t a crime here", ">\n\nRussia supports Lula so Biden is in a tough spot here", ">\n\nYea I’m not a fan of Jan 6 either but I think this one is out of hand. Brazil has not requested this. Biden administration reaching hard with this one", ">\n\nYeah so the Socialist Lula can hand over Brazil to China", ">\n\nHe's illegal in US. Kick off the scumbag!", ">\n\nHere he is, a real man. Running away. Weak as piss.", ">\n\nHas he done anything illegal?", ">\n\nHas Bolsonaro been charged yet? If he has not what can he be extradited for?", ">\n\nIs he here legally?", ">\n\nhe entered with a chief of state visa, on the night bf he stopped being a a president. he flight to USA using the presidency official plane.", ">\n\nWhy would they extradite Bolsonaro? As far as I know the crimes he was accused off dont warrant a deportation.", ">\n\nHas he been charged with anything?", ">\n\nIf Brunson is decided by the Supreme Court then the same thing will happen here. I’m not sure if the Supreme Court will rule quickly on it.", ">\n\nHas Brazil asked for him yet?", ">\n\nReally? You don't think this comment is a way to steer perceived blame from Biden to Trump? I do.", ">\n\nIn hospital? Saw him eating take out fried chicken on a pic on first day in US. Probably got upset tummy.", ">\n\nLarga a cachaça.", ">\n\nbut but but brazil first has to submit an extradition request isn’t it? and to do that they need to have evidence that this clown was responsible for the riots, isn’t it?", ">\n\nC'mon. Even if we /can/ do that, imagine the repercussions of sending him back virtually no matter what happens. Best case, Lula is successful in holding him legally accountable after at least a couple years of court haranguing, which is far from a given. Worst case, we deliver him to the front of a citizen's militia with probable institutional military support. In any case the U.S. becomes culpable in outcomes. If Lula requests we send him back, we should. Until that happens he can hang out in Florida with all the other coup-happy ex-presidents imo." ]

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[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues...." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity..." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous.", ">\n\nHes absolutely going to sell it" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous.", ">\n\nHes absolutely going to sell it", ">\n\n1000% agree…." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous.", ">\n\nHes absolutely going to sell it", ">\n\n1000% agree….", ">\n\nIt's not like being a traitor, seditionist, criminal, or grifter is a barrier to being a member of Congress. \nIt seems people are pretty open about being all of those things, and it doesn't matter. It's about making money, and putting yourself above the law. \nWe've allowed too much corruption for too long, and it's pretty much the norm, especially for the GOP" ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous.", ">\n\nHes absolutely going to sell it", ">\n\n1000% agree….", ">\n\nIt's not like being a traitor, seditionist, criminal, or grifter is a barrier to being a member of Congress. \nIt seems people are pretty open about being all of those things, and it doesn't matter. It's about making money, and putting yourself above the law. \nWe've allowed too much corruption for too long, and it's pretty much the norm, especially for the GOP", ">\n\nWhat a fucking shame." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous.", ">\n\nHes absolutely going to sell it", ">\n\n1000% agree….", ">\n\nIt's not like being a traitor, seditionist, criminal, or grifter is a barrier to being a member of Congress. \nIt seems people are pretty open about being all of those things, and it doesn't matter. It's about making money, and putting yourself above the law. \nWe've allowed too much corruption for too long, and it's pretty much the norm, especially for the GOP", ">\n\nWhat a fucking shame.", ">\n\nwhoops this will now happen..." ]

[ "Shouldn’t this guy be getting extradited to Brazil?", ">\n\nThat's two. Any more for the list?", ">\n\nBannon as well has been involved with the brazil insurrection.", ">\n\nBolsinaro? He's still in the US, right?", ">\n\nI believe so in orlando.", ">\n\nPutting Santos on any committee at this point would be idiotic.\n\nGeorge Santos should resign from Congress, but should he refuse, Kevin McCarthy must not seat Santos on any committee where he is given access to classified information, according to a letter sent today by CREW.\nSantos’s misrepresentations of large swaths of his background have proven his tendency to lie for power and personal gain. It is clear that he has not demonstrated the trustworthiness necessary to guard our country’s most closely guarded secrets.\n\nArticle continues....", ">\n\nWouldn't he not even qualify for a security clearance at this point? I can't imagine Biden would be willing to overrule that one either.", ">\n\nDo you need to qualify for a SC for the intelligence committee?", ">\n\nI certainly fucking hope so.", ">\n\nAll it takes is a 2/3rds vote in the House to expel him from congress.\nBut that would require a majority party with just a little integrity...", ">\n\nWhat’s that, about 74 republicans needed to expel him? Maybe not impossible at the rate he’s going.", ">\n\nMcCarthy would have to let the vote happen and the Freedom Caucus is not going to let their Speaker puppet do that.", ">\n\nOne vote of no confidence from a party member could be enough leverage for McCarthy to allow this to go through I would think. It’s either him or some dude that is taking their spotlight.\nNow that I think of it the distraction may be of benefit", ">\n\nRemoving him would result in a special election being held in a district that could easily flip back to a democrat... the republicans aren't going to risk losing a seat when they barely have a majority as it is.", ">\n\nUnfortunately he will. Voting truly matters and we do get what we vote for.", ">\n\nI voted Dem. So did the majority of voters in my district. But since my rep is a Dem, his voice won't be heard over the GOP clown show.", ">\n\nR’s are silent about Santos and were glad to have his vote regardless of the little “embellishment” of the past.", ">\n\nHe’s been nothing but truthful. Remember the time George Santos showed up at halftime and the Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl?", ">\n\nIf that’s even his real name…", ">\n\nMuch like how the intel community eventually just stopped giving trump goods, they should absolutely not hand over any info to gym jordan, santos, mtg or any maga loon who would sell that info to the highest bidder or just put it on twitter uncensored.", ">\n\nHe’s been proven to be one of the biggest political frauds in history - don’t let that stop Kevin McCarthy though…", ">\n\nFunny how the only thing we the people can do about this is watch in horror, or complain to a representative who most likely can’t do anything about it except, I don’t know, make a public gesture of disapproval or something. Really seems like voting does less with each election when shit like this just erupts right afterward", ">\n\nPartisan Gerrymandering to create safe Republican or Democratic districts, and First Past The Post voting combined has done a lot to strip away the average citizens power to affect political change. With most people having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet protesting becomes nearly impossible when that time could be used sleeping or eating between jobs.", ">\n\nFirst off, putting \"George Santos\" and \"intelligence\" in the same sentence is semantically incongruous.", ">\n\nHes absolutely going to sell it", ">\n\n1000% agree….", ">\n\nIt's not like being a traitor, seditionist, criminal, or grifter is a barrier to being a member of Congress. \nIt seems people are pretty open about being all of those things, and it doesn't matter. It's about making money, and putting yourself above the law. \nWe've allowed too much corruption for too long, and it's pretty much the norm, especially for the GOP", ">\n\nWhat a fucking shame.", ">\n\nwhoops this will now happen...", ">\n\nOf course he shouldn't, but he probably will. Nothing matters any more. We're all fucked." ]