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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called"
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The department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
The LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.
Emphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it."
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I‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“ | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative."
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There was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.
Very similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“"
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Wasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he "had to execute him" | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying."
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That poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop.
Sometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\""
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im surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day."
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Cops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is"
] |
>
They’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.
For the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet."
] |
>
I do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in.
De-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters."
] |
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the career draws a certain type of personality,
2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the "protect and serve" types are massively outnumbered by the "OBEY MY AUTHORITAH" types | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined."
] |
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who is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types"
] |
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Well ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.
Fuck the police. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops"
] |
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I can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up? | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police."
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At this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'.. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?"
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What's a better term? I suggest "State-sponsored armed gangs". | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'.."
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What they want to be called "Punisher" | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\"."
] |
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Ironic, ain't it? | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\""
] |
>
The sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.
And cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?"
] |
>
And cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.
Either that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too."
] |
>
What's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.
"Just comply and you'll be fine" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.
So, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.
We are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime "prevention" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.
If you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.
So long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.
Edit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased).
Police are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their "training" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber."
] |
>
officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him.
Umm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee? | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me."
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It's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too."
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They couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.
Edit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.
If the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. "He had a knife" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier.
Too many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead."
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It's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.
Police in the United States have an "us versus them" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.
So we need to say "no more." It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly."
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The fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat."
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The answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.
I feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it."
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tbh I don't even really know what "community" means in the sense people use it
I've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same
I used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us
A lot of work to push back against that | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together."
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You nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still).
I grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.
When we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.
Imagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that"
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For me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very "stay off my property" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a "I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs" sort of relationship.
But agreed, the results are the same. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable."
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I think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.
Since we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE.
It should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.
And if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same."
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I grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.
Sadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old."
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Okay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots.
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job."
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When will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon? | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended."
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They won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all."
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Maybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife? | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen"
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There’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?"
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They could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart"
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If he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous."
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Funny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like "Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs.
Well, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.
You guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife."
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They really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training."
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The department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene
If a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people."
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So scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.
It reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation."
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Cops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters."
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Sure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters."
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Love living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck."
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Were the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s
The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions"
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Murrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.
If you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient."
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Police shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year.
Firearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop."
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Yup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.
Cops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training."
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'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job
it's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial"
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So why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop"
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It isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as "necessary", in order to avoid accountability.
Until they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.
Remember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream "look out, it's coming right for us!"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...
When in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that "was fearing" the potential victim will be absolutely safe. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol"
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Honest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh... | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe."
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They don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays? | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh..."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......"
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That's how they're trained. They're literally trained as "us versus them" not "serving the people". These are tax funded gangs. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead"
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There is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.
Let’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this."
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Aight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?"
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What happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working. | [
"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent"
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It's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.
Are American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?"
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“Violent video games are murder simulators,” he says, “except when police officers and soldiers use them for training, in which case they are combat simulators.”
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?",
">\n\nWhy are cops always so scared? They already have guns and qualified immunity. Maybe they should work somewhere safer, like a build a bear workshop"
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?",
">\n\nWhy are cops always so scared? They already have guns and qualified immunity. Maybe they should work somewhere safer, like a build a bear workshop",
">\n\n“Violent video games are murder simulators,” he says, “except when police officers and soldiers use them for training, in which case they are combat simulators.”\nThat's a perfect 10 on the mental gymnastics."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?",
">\n\nWhy are cops always so scared? They already have guns and qualified immunity. Maybe they should work somewhere safer, like a build a bear workshop",
">\n\n“Violent video games are murder simulators,” he says, “except when police officers and soldiers use them for training, in which case they are combat simulators.”\nThat's a perfect 10 on the mental gymnastics.",
">\n\nCan we just fire all the police and start over with staffing? I mean, seriously."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?",
">\n\nWhy are cops always so scared? They already have guns and qualified immunity. Maybe they should work somewhere safer, like a build a bear workshop",
">\n\n“Violent video games are murder simulators,” he says, “except when police officers and soldiers use them for training, in which case they are combat simulators.”\nThat's a perfect 10 on the mental gymnastics.",
">\n\nCan we just fire all the police and start over with staffing? I mean, seriously.",
">\n\nWhat's it going to take for cops to stop killing people? This is so fucked."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?",
">\n\nWhy are cops always so scared? They already have guns and qualified immunity. Maybe they should work somewhere safer, like a build a bear workshop",
">\n\n“Violent video games are murder simulators,” he says, “except when police officers and soldiers use them for training, in which case they are combat simulators.”\nThat's a perfect 10 on the mental gymnastics.",
">\n\nCan we just fire all the police and start over with staffing? I mean, seriously.",
">\n\nWhat's it going to take for cops to stop killing people? This is so fucked.",
">\n\n\nWhat's it going to take for cops to stop killing people? \n\nMy attorney has advised me not to comment."
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"Actually reads like an Onion article wtf",
">\n\nIt gets worse when you look at the LA times article linked in this one … \n\n“Yatoya Toy, Lowe’s older sister, identified the man running from police as her brother. She said that his legs had been amputated after an altercation with law enforcement in Texas, and that the family also has questions about that incident.”",
">\n\nHe lost his legs from cops in Texas only to later be murdered by cops in California?",
">\n\nNo wonder he was scared(well, more than the normal amount of scared one would be when dealing with police).",
">\n\nIt kinda seems like police departments spend a little too much time drilling into recruits' heads the circumstances when they're \"allowed\" to shoot someone, and not enough focus on when they \"must\" shoot someone. \"Knife = fire at will\" seems to be the only calculation that was done here. Like that dude in the Home Depot lot a year or two ago.",
">\n\nThere's never any repercussions so why would they.",
">\n\nWell for a normal person it'd be the natural desire to not shoot another human. But it really does feel like some of these people are just waiting for the opportunity.",
">\n\nThere absolutely guys who become police just for the chance to \"legally\" shot/kill someone. I knew some guys who signed up for the military just for that reason too. But those guys either ended up being total looser or cops after serving.",
">\n\nTotal losers OR cops? Idk these things seem one in the same to me",
">\n\nUnderrated comment",
">\n\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nCase closed - the cops were justified in shooting him because the cops say they were justified in shooting him.",
">\n\nA bystander caught it on video for the NY Post.\nHow many helpless people are the California cops going to murder before the state and city governments reign in their rapid dogs? This is far from the first time this has happened. It's not rocket science: require body cams that the rabid dogs cannot circumvent, and take control of investigations of officer shootings away from the police departments. These guys know that it won't be their BFFs investigating their murders anymore, maybe they'll think before shooting.",
">\n\nWe got more cameras on people making McDoubles.",
">\n\nAnd they get fired for less",
">\n\nBetween cops and Mcdonalds workers, it's the mcdonalds workers who need the union and the cops who really don't need one",
">\n\nPolice could use some training from McDonalds workers on how to de-escalate situations.",
">\n\nThe academy clearly borrows from the Waffle House manual of conflict resolution.",
">\n\nWaffle House warfare",
">\n\nOh I was wondering what the new Call of Duty was gonna be called",
">\n\nI’d play it.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.\nThe LA sheriff’s department, which is investigating the killing, said in an initial statement that Lowe attempted to “throw the knife at the officers”, but a spokesperson later told the LA Times that Lowe “did not throw the knife ultimately, but he made the motion multiple times over his head like he was going to throw the knife”. The spokesperson also said that two officers had fired roughly 10 rounds at Lowe, who was hit in the torso. The Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nEmphasis mine. No bodycam footage means you can't trust the police narrative.",
">\n\nI‘m actually surprised that there aren’t more deaf people just absolutely getting massacred every day by the police for “not listening to commands“ and “threatening gestures“",
">\n\nThere was a kid a few years ago in Utah I believe who was listening to his headphones, cop tried to stop him, the kid eventually turned around and was confronted with a screaming cop and a gun in his face and fumbled around, his hands went towards his waistband and the cop shot him.\nVery similar to what I imagine a deaf person would encounter. Horrifying.",
">\n\nWasn't there a guy shot in spine from behind because he didn't hear cops, because cop though headphone wires were wires to a bomb so he \"had to execute him\"",
">\n\nThat poor fucking family. Having to live every day of their lives knowing their loved one was taken away, and not only can they never receive recourse or closure, the fucking justice system said it was not an unreasonable action by the cop. \nSometimes I have nightmares where I know I'm right, I'm 100% right, and nobody believes me about whatever random thing it is. This must be how it feels every day.",
">\n\nim surprised this kind of stuff doesn’t radicalize the family members resulting in them doing something dangerous as a natural reaction to how messed up the system is",
">\n\nCops have to be some of the most afraid/scared people on the planet.",
">\n\nThey’ve gotta be, or at least the force attracts individuals that are trigger happy. I got one or two cops in my family and police academy is short, short enough to the point where I don’t believe that it’s the training alone that causes this.\nFor the most part, the job just attracts a similar sort of people: afraid, power-hungry narcissists who want the clout that they’re serving their country but without having the balls to actually join the military or something that actually matters.",
">\n\nI do agree in part that the career draws a certain type of personality, but if the training is that short could the lack of proper training also be a cause? Put a cop into a situation with a person having a manic episode after only some bare bones training focused on how to use the tools on your belt, and I could absolutely see where fear kicks in. \nDe-escalating a situation isn't something that comes naturally to everyone for all situations. It needs to be taught and practiced and refined.",
">\n\n\nthe career draws a certain type of personality,\n\n2 types of personality. Unfortunately, the \"protect and serve\" types are massively outnumbered by the \"OBEY MY AUTHORITAH\" types",
">\n\nwho is this protect and serve guy and why isn't he trying to take down the other cops",
">\n\nWell ones tried before and the NYPD decided to illegally abduct him and put him in an institution.\nFuck the police.",
">\n\nI can't see why they would shoot? Even if he was charging at them couldn't they just back up?",
">\n\nAt this point is quite ridiculous calling them 'Police'..",
">\n\nWhat's a better term? I suggest \"State-sponsored armed gangs\".",
">\n\nWhat they want to be called \"Punisher\"",
">\n\nIronic, ain't it?",
">\n\nThe sad part is, the Punisher would kill all these cops, especially the ones in gangs or the ones who kill bystanders to get the bad guy.\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.",
">\n\n\nAnd cops who see themselves in his role... Frank is a fucked up person. Then emulating him just solidifies that they are fucked up too.\n\nEither that, or that they don't read comics, they just see a guy with a gun killing criminals. In which case, they're still fucked up, just...dumber.",
">\n\nWhat's crazy about the increasing amount of police killings in recent years is that it clearly demonstrates this is a US police issue, as no other country demands its citizens to basically know every component of the cop's handbook to know how to act so as to not get murdered by the police. We as citizens are expected to have better training, calmness, and clarity in a situation where there are 1-10 officers with bright lights, guns pointed, fingers on the trigger, yelling contradictory commands, sometimes breaking into your constitutionally-protected property without a knock-and-announce, without a warrant - hell, they might not even be at the right address or have the right person.\n\"Just comply and you'll be fine\" people seriously need to shut the fuck up forever. Cops are not your friends, they are not there to help or assist you, they do not have your interests in mind, and they have NO constitutional duty to intervene to help or protect you when you're actually in danger.\nSo, other than defending property interests, they are a state-funded gang operation. Doesn't matter where you are. Of course, these people will never see true justice through consequences, because prosecutors, judges, and cops are all routine players in the same criminal justice system, so getting a judge or prosecutor to bring charges against police for excessive force or racism, even when there is clear and convincing evidence, is nearly impossible unless the judge or the prosecutor is retiring and doesn't care to have that working relationship with the PD/courts moving forward.\nWe are far beyond reforming the police, it is abolition and defunding time, and to keep pushing for it until it becomes the norm. Community-funded protection groups and decentralizing the state's monopoly on violence and crime \"prevention\" is the only way forward that doesn't put every one of us at risk of being the next police fatality.\nIf you've ever wondered why police budgets keep going up despite so many wrongs, how else do you think they pay for the settlements in police brutality/racism cases that actually DO end up making it to settlement/trial? WE, the taxpayers, are paying for the police's consequences because their budget comes from our taxes.\nSo long as the police don't beat THEM up, or beat up somebody they wish they could, many US conservatives are more than happy to see their tax dollars go to the brutalization of the American population, and until that starts to change, nothing will.\nEdit - Even in situations where police are dealing with extremely violent and/or potentially life-threatening suspects, those people still deserve to be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced based on the laws of the US. That is what the criminal justice system exists for, and we have deemed that the morally correct process for punishing people who commit crime. Nobody - from a murderer to a traffic violation - should be summarily executed by the police because they can retroactively justify it based on invalid and contradictory reports (especially in states that don't require police body cameras that cannot be removed/erased). \nPolice are given the power to legally execute people in exchange for their \"training\" and their commitment to enforcing the laws as written as an agent of the state. Nobody else in this entire country can legally take that very significant and permanent action, and as such police should always do so as a last resort, instead of being given a laundry list of available circumstances when they can shoot someone or being given a massive range of justifications to validate such an action after the fact, eliminating the possibility of true justice.",
">\n\n\nofficers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. \n\nUmm...what!? Come on! Cops with legs can't catch an amputee?",
">\n\nShot him 10 times\nI guess the first 9 shots weren’t effective enough for them either",
">\n\nI’m a 34 year old healthy double amputee. My 2 year old is faster than me.",
">\n\nProlly has better trigger discipline than cops, too.",
">\n\nIt's not negligent firearms use when you want everyone dead.",
">\n\nThey couldn't take down a man with no legs? Give me a break. This is getting ridiculous.\nEdit: I'm not going to respond to every comment.\nIf the cops couldn't arrest this guy without KILLING HIM, then they don't deserve to be cops. \"He had a knife\" big whoop. They could have done it, murdering him was just more fun for them, and easier. \nToo many cops are proving over and over that they can't handle guns responsibly.",
">\n\nIt's been ridiculous. It's going to get worse, too - at least until people put their feet down (no pun intended) and say enough is enough.\nPolice in the United States have an \"us versus them\" mentality; if you're not a cop or an immediate family member of a cop, then they see you as a threat and an enemy. These are people who want authority and power for the sake of authority and power; with no oversight, they will abuse that authority and progressively become worse as time goes on.\nSo we need to say \"no more.\" It's not going to be easy, nor will it be pretty. We need action orders of magnitude greater than what we saw for the Floyd protests - because these people have determined that they will be the enemy of the people, and the only language they seem to understand is violence. If we want the police to stop killing us, we need to become the bigger threat.",
">\n\nThe fact that the response to the 2020 protests was increased funding and even more brazen incidents should be the wake up call - they hate the citizenry because they don't see themselves as a part of it.",
">\n\nThe answer to a lot of today's problems is: there is no community. We don't have a sense of belonging to the same group, working on common goals. If the line cook flipping our burgers don't care, we get shitty burgers. If the police don't care, we get dead people, or scarred for life, horror stories.\nI feel if we don't do something about it, it'll be the end of our civilization. We cannot build/maintain anything if we don't work together.",
">\n\ntbh I don't even really know what \"community\" means in the sense people use it\nI've never felt like I was part of a community in my life, and I think a lot of other (white, male) people might feel the same\nI used to think it was me being some insular dude, but then you see those stats about nobody having friends anymore and I'm starting to think it's a (purposeful?) cultural phenomenon that has fractured us\nA lot of work to push back against that",
">\n\nYou nailed it. I think humans NEED to belong to a group. Alone we get weird (in different ways but weird still). \nI grew up in a close community. Everybody knew everyone (or their parents) and we would help each other. For example, my mother was always sick and weak, but a great cook. So our neighbor would clear the snow from our entrance (we lived up north in Quebec), which my mother could not do, and in return, she would bake them pies or other goodies they loved (which his wife was not good at). Or in the summer, when I went fishing, I would catch a couple more flounders to give to the old lady who lived on our street. She had a hard time going to the grocery store. Etc.\nWhen we moved to the city (I was 11), I had a shock. Everybody was so mean, and cold. Kids and adults alike. It was not a good feeling.\nImagine someone like you, who never got to experience community. Why would you care about giving back to society, or wanting to help a neighbor, or simply making things more pleasant for anyone? Now multiply that by a whole city. All the cities. It's depressing.\nSomething has to change drastically. It's not sustainable.",
">\n\nFor me it was sorta the opposite actually - growing up in a very \"stay off my property\" kind of small town, moving to a city was the first time I was confronted with people caring about their neighbors instead of viewing them as a threat or a danger or even simply a \"I'll mind my own business, they'll mind theirs\" sort of relationship.\nBut agreed, the results are the same.",
">\n\nI think Community can exist in rural and urban settings. Wherever we are, we can build a community. But we need help from our government, and they don't seem interested in the concept. So I guess we need a new government.\nSince we're in a post about the police, we could start by getting them out of their cars and on foot patrol. They would dress like police officers (not swat units). They would be assigned to a neighborhood, on rotation, so people can get to know them and vice-versa. They'd be people again (instead of threats), and their goal would be COMMUNITY SERVICE. \nIt should be drilled at school, from the start, that the #1 task of an officer is to serve his community. Helping people with directions, calming people down during conflicts, calling city services when things break down, etc. They are first responders, not freakin' commando units.\nAnd if that would suck for them for the first couple of years, it's THEIR FAULT and they should be held accountable AS A WHOLE. They are all of them guilty of the crimes committed. The chiefs, the officers, the ones sitting on their ass at the station. They should be ashamed of what they've become.\nPolice officers used to be our friends when I was a kid. I guess I'm old.",
">\n\nI grew up in the city, but I guess I'm not old enough to have had the experience myself, but I've heard from quite a few people that policing used to be how you described. On foot, walking up and down the same blocks day after day, (similar to some postal workers) and they would get to know everyone on their post and helped them when they needed it.\nSadly, now they're just a bunch of jump-out boys around here. Their reputation is horrible and you have the same reaction to seeing police as you do when seeing a violent criminal. Just hoping that you won't have an interaction with them. I really hope we can get back to a time with real community policing and change things for the better.",
">\n\nOkay at this point if the Federal government doesn't institute a police or investigative bureau to charge cops outside their local judicial systems they are idiots. \nStop letting police and local judges or da's handle these cases because obviously they don't by in large do a good job.",
">\n\nThe system is working as intended.",
">\n\nWhen will the white house release a federal mandate requiring all police and law enforcement in the US to wear body cameras while carrying a weapon?",
">\n\nThey won’t. And if they did, it would be blocked by the Supreme Court. It’s bullshit. All officers should wear body cameras and all police involved shootings should be investigated by a separate organization that is unbiased.",
">\n\nAll cops I have ever heard from love cameras because it protects them AND the public. The only people who don't want cameras are bad, evil, immoral, incompotent, or a combination of all.",
">\n\n…yes, those people are why it won't happen",
">\n\nMaybe I'm missing something but how in the world could this fellow be a threat to the cops? He wasn't going to get way quickly and how was he going to throw the knife?",
">\n\nThere’s a video of a cop shooting a dude in a wheelchair in the back. They were in the entrance to Home Depot or something and he had a knife.\nHe was in a wheelchair, they could’ve stopped him with a 2x4",
">\n\nThey could've stopped him with a broomstick into his spokes.",
">\n\nReally anything - a box of bananas would work",
">\n\nLaw and Order: Mario Kart",
">\n\nIn the criminal justice system, blue shells are considered especially heinous.",
">\n\nIf he actually was threatening to throw a knife there are these giant hunks of metals everywhere called cars that you can stand behind and amazingly enough a knife can't penetrate them. Then you wait it out till he drops the supposed knife.",
">\n\nFunny thing is each and everytime I call US police blatantly incompetent and say stuff like \"Who needs terrorists, if you have cops running amok nearby?\" there will be people defending that bullshit with claims about how big and diverse the US are and how we Europeans can't possibly understand the danger these cops experience in their jobs. \nWell, the EU as a whole is not particularly small either, yet we don't read about cops murdering EU citizens on almost a daily basis.\nYou guys should pretty much replace your entire police force. There are no good cops, just the monsters you see in the videos and the silent accomplices enabling them. Make it a degree program with strict selection criteria, so that most highschool bullies are weeded out even before training.",
">\n\nThey really just look for any excuse to empty their guns into people. We shouldn't have people like this on the street, much less people like this patrolling them in a position of authority.",
">\n\n\nThe department claimed that officers attempted to detain him, alleging he ignored commands and “threatened to advance or throw the knife at the officers”, although the limited witness footage did not capture this. The department further said that officers “deployed two separate Tasers in an attempt to subdue the suspect”, but when “the Tasers were ineffective”, they shot him. He was pronounced dead at the scene\n\nIf a man with NO LEGS is a challenge to subdue and causes you fear, you should NOT be a fucking cop.",
">\n\nBut if they don't become cops, they don't get to hurt people.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of that old video of British cops taking an aggressive knife wielding guy into custody.",
">\n\nSo scared of a double amputee that was trying to get away from them that they had no choice but to shoot him.\nIt reads like satire. Cops continue to reach new levels of pathetic every week it seems.",
">\n\nIt’s even more bizarre when you learn that he recently lost his legs in another police altercation.",
">\n\nI assumed he was a vet. Jaw dropping that it also involved police.",
">\n\nCops have got to be the biggest cowards in the world. Everything they encounter makes them fear for their lives.",
">\n\nIf they weren’t cowards, they’d be fire fighters",
">\n\nBro I know a couple fire fighters and man those people are such gems. Actual kings and queens.",
">\n\nI freaking love firefighters.",
">\n\nYou know what cops and fire fighters have in common?\nThey both wish they were fire fighters.",
">\n\nSure the guy had a knife in the video and was waving it around. It's a knife and he has no legs. American police need those big man catcher sticks used in Asian countries because a gun was the last tool they needed. A gun isn't a hammer and not every situation is a nail waiting to be struck.",
">\n\nLove living in a country where there's just uniformed untouchables running around with carte blanche authority to kill people without fear of repercussions",
">\n\nWere the officers using the 21-foot rule for when they're dealing with someone with a knife...who has no legs? /s\n\nThe Huntington Park department does not use body cameras.\n\nWell, that's convenient.",
">\n\nMurrican cops kill about three people and 25 dogs per day, and a hefty percentage of the victims were no credible threat to the cops. About 1/3 of the people cops shoot were running away at the time.\nIf you feel like you aren't getting enough outrage in your diet, go read Radley Balko's horrifying book Rise of the Warrior Cop.",
">\n\nPolice shot three people in the United Kingdom in 2022. Not per day, not per month, it was three people in the entire year. \nFirearms officers (which to be clear, is not all police officers except in NI) usually aim to retire without firing a round outside of training.",
">\n\nYup, cops in the UK have killed about as many people in a decade as the NYPD alone kills in a few months.\nCops in many other countries are given serious training in DE-escalating tense situations. In the US, if the topic is mentioned at all, it is just given a perfunctory treatment. Then cops go to aftermarket training seminars like the ones run by Dave Grossman, where they are told that their lives are in grave peril every single second on the job (which is bullshit), then trained to shoot without hesitation.",
">\n\n'fear for their life' shouldnt even be an accepted excuse for police. like dealing with & dealing out violence is literally an expected part of the job -- daresay even the purpose of the job. over-use of force bc of fear of danger is like if a lifeguard ignored someone drowning bc of fear of water. find a new job\nit's funny how we hold military personnel to so much higher standards. both in terms of when they're allowed to even open fire, & in their reponse to danger... if a soldier abandoned their post or broke rules of engagement bc of 'fear for their life' they'd probably face a court martial",
">\n\nTheres a reason there is an IQ limit to become a cop",
">\n\nSo why are we hiring total pussies to be cops again?? This makes us look so stupid to the rest of the world lol",
">\n\nIt isn't fear. The allegations of fear are trained, boilerplate responses police have drilled into them for the express purpose of victim-blaming and justifying kills as \"necessary\", in order to avoid accountability.\n\nUntil they have enough of a stranglehold on a population, openly admitting they do what they do because it gets them off, would result in self-defense or open rebellion.\n\nRemember South Park, how uncle Jimbo teaches the kids to scream \"look out, it's coming right for us!\"? Look at how they act before and after kills whenever they're caught on tape. There's no fear. Plenty of cruelty, plenty of calculating, of planning and deciding what the story will have been, of tossing in ideas on what to blame and what is or isn't plausible...\nWhen in fact part of choosing to escalate that encounter was their high degree of certainty that \"was fearing\" the potential victim will be absolutely safe.",
">\n\nHonest question,why aren't there people protesting and what not about these killings?Here in Greece when police shot and killed people,there were massive protests and riots and they still happen annually on the same day.And believe me when I say that these killings here were more like clean executions than this torture that's happening there.I don't know if thats better or worse tbh...",
">\n\nThey don’t use body cameras?! How is that even optional nowadays?",
">\n\nHow can we arrest school shooters who have killed multiple kids & are armed with ARs \nbut shoot a double amputee cause he has a knife?",
">\n\nIf only there was a major discernible difference in these encounters......",
">\n\nCops seem to think they get to murder us as punishment for not following an order",
">\n\nThat's how they're trained. They're literally trained as \"us versus them\" not \"serving the people\". These are tax funded gangs.",
">\n\nSites like the Onion might as well close up shop. Reality has become so much more ridiculous.",
">\n\nThree officers can't handle one guy with no legs without killing him in cold blood? Did the guy had telekinesis?",
">\n\nGuilty until proven dead",
">\n\nThey’ve moved on from shooting unarmed men to unlegged men.",
">\n\nThere is no justification for shooting a double amputee. You cannot tell me that they were incapable of coming around behind him, and using a shield for protection then subduing him. There is no plausible reason for any police department not to have body cameras on their officers.\nLet’s call this what it really is intentional murder By officers.",
">\n\nIt’s as inexcusable as you think it is. What a disgrace\nvideo",
">\n\nHow is killing someone equivalent to protecting and serving. Hope there really is a hell for people like this.",
">\n\nProtect and serve is a PR slogan from the 80's. It doesn't mean anything. The supreme court even ruled they have no duty to protect you even when actively in danger.",
">\n\nAight, I officially believe American police forces need to be switched to whatever Europe police are doing. They need more training. This is absolutely insane. I’m a police supporter, but nothing is changing and is happening so frequently everywhere that it’s time the police departments are re-vamped completely.",
">\n\nIs this the one with the dude carrying a cartoonishly large knife?",
">\n\nCops are the biggest fucking cowards in existence.",
">\n\nWhat happens when all of society turns their backs on the police and we just all ignore them? Then what are these assholes going to do? Their popularity level isn't high enough for anyone to want to help them. I'm not saying we don't need a police for of some extent but what we are doing now isn't working.",
">\n\nIf the police are telling the truth (which they clearly fucking aren’t) then they’re fucking incompetent",
">\n\nReads like an onion article. Honestly it's not surprising to me, as a person living in Chicago I had multiple encounters with cops where they acted more like gang members rather than police officers.",
">\n\nIt's obvious the cops were terrified for their lives, that gentleman could have easily over powered them with his extensive training in Muay Tyai kickboxing.\nAre American cops just a bunch of spineless pussies who are terrified of people smaller than they are?\nFuck the blue line. Fuck the police.",
">\n\nJesus, even men who are literally unarmed aren't safe.\nIn this case, however, how the hell is a man with no legs able to flee? Are they serious?",
">\n\nWhy are cops always so scared? They already have guns and qualified immunity. Maybe they should work somewhere safer, like a build a bear workshop",
">\n\n“Violent video games are murder simulators,” he says, “except when police officers and soldiers use them for training, in which case they are combat simulators.”\nThat's a perfect 10 on the mental gymnastics.",
">\n\nCan we just fire all the police and start over with staffing? I mean, seriously.",
">\n\nWhat's it going to take for cops to stop killing people? This is so fucked.",
">\n\n\nWhat's it going to take for cops to stop killing people? \n\nMy attorney has advised me not to comment.",
">\n\nWe have an occupying force at this point."
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