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he is definetely a fucking corrupt though | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is."
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Every single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.
The difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself. | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though"
] |
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Lula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília. | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself."
] |
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This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)
Rio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.
The air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.
Illegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5 | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília."
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They are just following the example of the history of our 1800's.
We have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands. | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5"
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The US has been a model to other countries for militarism, colonialism, and genocide since before our founding. | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5",
">\n\nThey are just following the example of the history of our 1800's. \nWe have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands."
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Anyone found guilty of these offences should be charged with genocide. Since an entire people could be eradicated by something which might be innocuous if directed at another group. | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5",
">\n\nThey are just following the example of the history of our 1800's. \nWe have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands.",
">\n\nThe US has been a model to other countries for militarism, colonialism, and genocide since before our founding."
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There are many accounts of rapes and murders too | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5",
">\n\nThey are just following the example of the history of our 1800's. \nWe have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands.",
">\n\nThe US has been a model to other countries for militarism, colonialism, and genocide since before our founding.",
">\n\nAnyone found guilty of these offences should be charged with genocide. Since an entire people could be eradicated by something which might be innocuous if directed at another group."
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I wonder how successful they'll be. Either way, good riddance. | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5",
">\n\nThey are just following the example of the history of our 1800's. \nWe have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands.",
">\n\nThe US has been a model to other countries for militarism, colonialism, and genocide since before our founding.",
">\n\nAnyone found guilty of these offences should be charged with genocide. Since an entire people could be eradicated by something which might be innocuous if directed at another group.",
">\n\nThere are many accounts of rapes and murders too"
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That is basically Christopher Walken's character in The Rundown.
"Do you understand the khan-cept of the tooth fairy?" | [
"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5",
">\n\nThey are just following the example of the history of our 1800's. \nWe have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands.",
">\n\nThe US has been a model to other countries for militarism, colonialism, and genocide since before our founding.",
">\n\nAnyone found guilty of these offences should be charged with genocide. Since an entire people could be eradicated by something which might be innocuous if directed at another group.",
">\n\nThere are many accounts of rapes and murders too",
">\n\nI wonder how successful they'll be. Either way, good riddance."
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"A similar operation had already been done in the 90's, but in the last years the government simply turned a blind eye to what was happening. Brazil has enough resources, knowledge and institutions to combat that situation, letting it come to this point was a (possibly criminal) political choice.",
">\n\nThe news out of Brazil lately has been such a breath of fresh air. Lula has been exceeding expectations.",
">\n\nI'm also enjoying the absence of dick-heads whining about what a corrupt extremist Lula is.",
">\n\nhe is definetely a fucking corrupt though",
">\n\nEvery single politician is corrupt. What did Lula do to get his conviction overturned? I have no idea, but I'm 99% sure it was illegal. Maybe also unethical by most definitions.\nThe difference is some politicians use their power to reduce deforestation rates by 80%, protect Indigenous populations, and give food to poor kids, while others use it to line their own pockets, build cults of personality, and irreversibly harm the global climate. And while I can't say I support people doing illegal/unethical things to put themselves back into power, I also think the Lula case highlights why any legal system that puts down a man who uses his power to help others deserves as much skepticism as the man himself.",
">\n\nLula didn't get his conviction overturned, the prosecution did that itself by also being corrupt as fuck in their desperation to have Lula in prison and ineligible in time for the 2018 elections. The main judge of the case was found to be partial, colluding with prosecution in messages leaked by The Intercept, plus the whole case had to be annuled since the court that convicted him (in Curitiba, Paraná) had no jurisdiction, meaning he has to be retrialed in Brasília.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nRio de Janeiro - The Brazilian military launched an operation Wednesday to crack down on illegal gold miners accused of invading the massive Yanomami Indigenous reservation and spreading disease, violating human rights and destroying the environment.\nThe air force said it was deploying fighter jets and surveillance planes to wrest back control of the airspace over the remote Amazon rainforest territory, where Indigenous leaders say some 20,000 miners have set up illegal operations, raping and killing inhabitants, poisoning their water with mercury and ravaging the forest they depend on for food.\nIllegal gold mining rose sharply in Brazil under far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, who pushed to open protected Indigenous reservations to mining and presided over a surge of destruction in the Amazon.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: miners^#1 illegal^#2 Yanomami^#3 Indigenous^#4 reservation^#5",
">\n\nThey are just following the example of the history of our 1800's. \nWe have broken every treaty we signed wit native American tribes for gold and the best lands.",
">\n\nThe US has been a model to other countries for militarism, colonialism, and genocide since before our founding.",
">\n\nAnyone found guilty of these offences should be charged with genocide. Since an entire people could be eradicated by something which might be innocuous if directed at another group.",
">\n\nThere are many accounts of rapes and murders too",
">\n\nI wonder how successful they'll be. Either way, good riddance.",
">\n\nThat is basically Christopher Walken's character in The Rundown.\n\"Do you understand the khan-cept of the tooth fairy?\""
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So, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.
Police do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such. | [
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!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation
That being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments
Edit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆ | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such."
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Yep! | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆"
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Please have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised.
She describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.
This isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!"
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These issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.
Similar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry."
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Yeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment"
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I mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act? | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better."
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While I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.
Is working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?"
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I see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job."
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There is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what.
That’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that."
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I guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day? | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation."
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Let’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to.
But to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?"
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Again though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to."
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But again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive.
So we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best."
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But that's only if you see sex as = to other forms of labor. I do not see sex as = to other forms of labor. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best.",
">\n\nBut again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive. \nSo we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions."
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Why not? What is objectively different about it? | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best.",
">\n\nBut again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive. \nSo we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions.",
">\n\nBut that's only if you see sex as = to other forms of labor. I do not see sex as = to other forms of labor."
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there is a difference between a sex worker and a whore, all whores are sex workers but not all sex workers are whores.... you rambled on about how trafficked people get lumped up with sex trafficking but also lumped all sex workers up to legalize selling your body for sex. they are not the same.
and of coarse whores would want it decriminalized, a murderer would also like lighter sentences.
Women as a whole would not really agree on prostitution being legal, too many dangers and it is not a respectable career getting railed by strange dudes. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best.",
">\n\nBut again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive. \nSo we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions.",
">\n\nBut that's only if you see sex as = to other forms of labor. I do not see sex as = to other forms of labor.",
">\n\nWhy not? What is objectively different about it?"
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This just sounds like mygonist thinking tbh
The separation isn’t sex work or whore. It’s forced through coercion or not. If not you can do what you want with you’re body my opinion be damned | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best.",
">\n\nBut again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive. \nSo we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions.",
">\n\nBut that's only if you see sex as = to other forms of labor. I do not see sex as = to other forms of labor.",
">\n\nWhy not? What is objectively different about it?",
">\n\nthere is a difference between a sex worker and a whore, all whores are sex workers but not all sex workers are whores.... you rambled on about how trafficked people get lumped up with sex trafficking but also lumped all sex workers up to legalize selling your body for sex. they are not the same.\nand of coarse whores would want it decriminalized, a murderer would also like lighter sentences.\nWomen as a whole would not really agree on prostitution being legal, too many dangers and it is not a respectable career getting railed by strange dudes."
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do you not understand the difference between a prostitute and a stripper? Only one I agree with. | [
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">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best.",
">\n\nBut again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive. \nSo we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions.",
">\n\nBut that's only if you see sex as = to other forms of labor. I do not see sex as = to other forms of labor.",
">\n\nWhy not? What is objectively different about it?",
">\n\nthere is a difference between a sex worker and a whore, all whores are sex workers but not all sex workers are whores.... you rambled on about how trafficked people get lumped up with sex trafficking but also lumped all sex workers up to legalize selling your body for sex. they are not the same.\nand of coarse whores would want it decriminalized, a murderer would also like lighter sentences.\nWomen as a whole would not really agree on prostitution being legal, too many dangers and it is not a respectable career getting railed by strange dudes.",
">\n\nThis just sounds like mygonist thinking tbh \nThe separation isn’t sex work or whore. It’s forced through coercion or not. If not you can do what you want with you’re body my opinion be damned"
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"/u/Throwway-support (OP) has awarded 1 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo, you present two different views here. I don't disagree that Prostitution should be decriminalized, I do think that is a positive. But the rest of your post makes me raise my eyebrow.\nPolice do not need to twist any laws to go after prostitution because in the vast majority of the US, it's already explicitly illegal. They do not need an excuse to shut down consensual sex work, it's literally their job. If we want to change that, we need to target the actual laws against Prostitution and sex work in general rather than trying to frame the conversation around sex trafficking stats and such.",
">\n\n!Delta! For pointing out a flaw in my argument and presentation\nThat being said, my complaint is rather that debates about sexual decriminalization/ legalization are snuffed out by debates about trafficking. Two separate things to me. Personally I’d rather the debate about sex work stand on it’s own. But repeatedly mainstream forces make it into a debate about coerced sex trafficking. Which is why Included the sex trafficking arguments\nEdit: My view has not yet been changed but you did give me a different perspective about officers being forced to enforce the law. ∆",
">\n\nYep!",
">\n\nPlease have a read of this article, it's by a receptionist who worked in a brothel for many years, in a jurisdiction where prostitution has been not just decriminalised, but fully legalised. \nShe describes the reality of prostitution for the women working there, and it's not a pleasant read at all. Abuse, violence, exposure to STIs is rife. And this is in a part of the world where prostitution is regulated - supposedly to prevent this. But it just doesn't work like that in practice.\nThis isn't an isolated account, there are many, many others like this from women who used to work in the sex industry.",
">\n\nThese issues seem easy to resolve given sufficient political will. For example: they could require brothels to submit STD tests for both parties prior to any contact, conduct regular drug tests, require contraception, have security guards, submit to workplace inspections, and have a realistic way to report sexual harassment.\nSimilar oversight programs exist for every other field, I see no reason why it wouldn't work here. I suspect it's because they would rather exploit people than create a safe working environment",
">\n\nYeah, like cmon there are ways to fix abusive work environments that don't involve making that work illegal. When the sexual harassment/assault scandal happened at Blizzard people talked about how to fix these issues, not once did I see anyone say we should just make videogame development illegal though. It's a ridiculous argument. If it's legal we can work to make it better and safer, if it's illegal (it will continue to exist) but we have no means to regulate and make it safe for those in it. Simple as that. People will be abused in both situations but only one of those scenarios do we have the ability to make it better.",
">\n\nI mean can you really pay for consent? Is sex because you can't eat unless you do it ever, ever a consensual act?",
">\n\nWhile I agree with your point, it rapidly devolves into the idea that you can't really consent to anything and everything is slavery.\nIs working ever a consensual act because you can't eat unless you do it? I think that is an absurd statement, but I can't come up with a reason that it would apply to sex but not any other job.",
">\n\nI see a huge difference between being forced to, say, answer phones vs. Being forced to have sex. You can force your kids to do chores, but you can't force them to.. I think its dangerous to see sex as being = to other forms of labor. And that's another issue that comes with legalizing prostitution, it makes people think that they can in any way compare sex with other jobs. Have you seen the rate of PTSD amoung porn stars? It's often indistinguishable from sexual abuse survivors. There's a reason for that.",
">\n\nThere is ptsd in lots of jobs, though, and there are lots of jobs that would wouldn’t allow a child to do no matter what. \nThat’s what I’m getting at - why is sex special and worthy of some special consideration when it comes to exploitation.",
">\n\nI guess that's more up to the individual. Would you personally rather be forced to work a labor job for a day, or would you rather be raped for a day?",
">\n\nLet’s not use the word rape - prostitutes can still refuse clients if they choose to. \nBut to the question, that really depends on the labor. There are things where I would prefer sex with someone I was less than attracted to.",
">\n\nAgain though, if this is how they are able to survive in this world can they choose to refuse the people who want to have sex with them? That's questionable at best.",
">\n\nBut again, that is something you can say about any job. I can refuse to do any work that I dislike, but that impacts my ability to survive. \nSo we are back to the original problem. All work can be seen as non consensual under these conditions.",
">\n\nBut that's only if you see sex as = to other forms of labor. I do not see sex as = to other forms of labor.",
">\n\nWhy not? What is objectively different about it?",
">\n\nthere is a difference between a sex worker and a whore, all whores are sex workers but not all sex workers are whores.... you rambled on about how trafficked people get lumped up with sex trafficking but also lumped all sex workers up to legalize selling your body for sex. they are not the same.\nand of coarse whores would want it decriminalized, a murderer would also like lighter sentences.\nWomen as a whole would not really agree on prostitution being legal, too many dangers and it is not a respectable career getting railed by strange dudes.",
">\n\nThis just sounds like mygonist thinking tbh \nThe separation isn’t sex work or whore. It’s forced through coercion or not. If not you can do what you want with you’re body my opinion be damned",
">\n\ndo you not understand the difference between a prostitute and a stripper? Only one I agree with."
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"Looks great! If you don't have a custom cable for this yet, I'd be happy to set you up with one :) Just send me a PM",
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Circus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?"
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I thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor? | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
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I thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?"
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Yeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session"
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God forbid they should do the peoples business | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense."
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The Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business"
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With Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis.
First sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.
“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia
Garcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories.
During the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman.
Wow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy."
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So it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won."
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This. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.
Meanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time."
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Then grow some thick skin and fight them! | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink."
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The only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!"
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"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media."
Did the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?
If people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.
Sounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show."
] |
>
It's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right? | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station."
] |
>
Right! | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?"
] |
>
Why can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!"
] |
>
The democrats know that their wrong doings are all about to be exposed. The draining of the swamp continues. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!",
">\n\nWhy can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers."
] |
>
That's hilarious that you think decent people will buy any of it. MAGA is the enemy of the American people and no one is forgetting it. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!",
">\n\nWhy can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers.",
">\n\nThe democrats know that their wrong doings are all about to be exposed. The draining of the swamp continues."
] |
>
Make America Great Again is the enemy of the American people? Just think about what you just said. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!",
">\n\nWhy can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers.",
">\n\nThe democrats know that their wrong doings are all about to be exposed. The draining of the swamp continues.",
">\n\nThat's hilarious that you think decent people will buy any of it. MAGA is the enemy of the American people and no one is forgetting it."
] |
>
Yeah. They are a small group of people who declare everyone else enemies. They’re taking books out of kids hands. | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!",
">\n\nWhy can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers.",
">\n\nThe democrats know that their wrong doings are all about to be exposed. The draining of the swamp continues.",
">\n\nThat's hilarious that you think decent people will buy any of it. MAGA is the enemy of the American people and no one is forgetting it.",
">\n\nMake America Great Again is the enemy of the American people? Just think about what you just said."
] |
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Because it wasn’t a circus before at all 😂 | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!",
">\n\nWhy can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers.",
">\n\nThe democrats know that their wrong doings are all about to be exposed. The draining of the swamp continues.",
">\n\nThat's hilarious that you think decent people will buy any of it. MAGA is the enemy of the American people and no one is forgetting it.",
">\n\nMake America Great Again is the enemy of the American people? Just think about what you just said.",
">\n\nYeah. They are a small group of people who declare everyone else enemies. They’re taking books out of kids hands."
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> | [
"When do the space lasers investigations start?",
">\n\nCircus is an understatement. It’s going to be every bad reality show rolled into one perfect singularity. CSPAN is going to put TLC out of business",
">\n\nI thought the Republicans banned CSPAN from the floor?",
">\n\nI thought so too, but found out that CSPAN has always been barred from the floor. They run the govt provided feed. During the Speaker votes they were allowed on the floor because the rule could not be enforced because technically congress was not in session",
">\n\nYeah, I knew they got to use a bunch of camera angles during the speaker vote, I thought the new rules package restricted them further than what they had prior. Maybe they dropped it or it was just nonsense.",
">\n\nGod forbid they should do the peoples business",
">\n\nThe Republicans are going all in on their support of sedition and the crazy.",
">\n\n\nWith Democrats in charge of both the White House and Senate, House Republicans have little hope of scoring any major legislative wins—but they can turn the lower chamber into a partisan boxing ring that hosts televised, must-watch bouts on a regular basis. \n\nFirst sentence of the article. Try to keep this in mind for next 2 years. 2 years of sabotage and Fox News Propaganda sound bites and click bait articles.\n\n“It’s really important that Democrats on this committee, especially the new members, are prepared to push back on the lies and the bullshit that we’re going to hear from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar. Our Speaker put the most extreme members of his caucus on the committee. Folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to use this committee to, quite frankly, hurt and kill people [because of misinformation about vaccines].” - Rep Robert Garcia\nGarcia, who lost his mother and stepfather to complications related to COVID-19, is particularly concerned that his far-right colleagues will use the committee to saturate the airwaves with anti-vax conspiracy theories. \nDuring the last Congress, Republicans serving on the committee issued more letters to the Biden administration than any other panel, according to Axios. But the new additions, particularly of Greene, who has already introduced five articles of impeachment against Biden, point the committee in a uniquely partisan direction—as does its new chairman. \n\nWow, five times. New high score but I don’t think she understands what she actually won.",
">\n\nSo it’s basically going to be a battle of political theater between Greene/Boebert and Raskins and AOC? All the latter has to do is wait for the opposition to speak because Greene and Boebert are quite possibly the dumbest people in Congress; they shoot themselves in the foot all the time.",
">\n\nThis. It's going to be outrageous unsubstantiated claims from the right that they'll snip up and push out to the masses as truth... and tired but consistent corrections from the left that they'll snip and push out to the masses to imply they are doing something about it.\nMeanwhile, we're all stuck with this bullshit for at least another two years... nothing will get done except political fundraising and driving our nation that much closer to the brink.",
">\n\nThen grow some thick skin and fight them!",
">\n\nThe only thing the GOP congress is capable of is a clown show.",
">\n\n\"However, during an appearance on Newsmax last week, he promised to investigate DirecTV’s decision not to renew its deal with the network. “I’m gonna do everything I can to see that it gets resolved as soon as possible,” he told host Rob Finnerty, likening Newsmax’s contract dispute to the supposed “weaponization of the DOJ and FBI” against conservatives on social media.\"\nDid the DOJ or FBI have anything at all to do with Direct TV removing Newsmax from their channel line up?\nIf people weren't watching that station, it's better for the supplier to replace it with something better.\nSounds to me that Newsmax didn't want to pay Direct TV what is needed to keep their shows on the station.",
">\n\nIt's the other way around. DTV was willing to let them stay, they just weren't going to pay them since they bring in little revenue/audience. Free hand of the market, right?",
">\n\nRight!",
">\n\nWhy can’t we just ignore them? Don’t go to their hearings. Don’t answer their subpoenas. I wouldn’t even serve on their committees that are doing nefarious shit. Just ignore them. We could even form our own committees and try to advance meaningful legislation with a few republican corossovers.",
">\n\nThe democrats know that their wrong doings are all about to be exposed. The draining of the swamp continues.",
">\n\nThat's hilarious that you think decent people will buy any of it. MAGA is the enemy of the American people and no one is forgetting it.",
">\n\nMake America Great Again is the enemy of the American people? Just think about what you just said.",
">\n\nYeah. They are a small group of people who declare everyone else enemies. They’re taking books out of kids hands.",
">\n\nBecause it wasn’t a circus before at all 😂"
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Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr | [] |
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Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.
I mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr"
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They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..
My god yes, this is infuriating to me. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it."
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Never get angry because people were never taught something.
Be angry it isn't taught. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me."
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Thanks, I agree. These are good words to live by.
I do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught."
] |
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Of course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced "to drag" along "the confused" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the "No Child Left Behind"?
The poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.
How do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?
One way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.
I like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.
Harrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.
You don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck."
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I'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place."
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The Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people."
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They were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it."
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Very true. But the problem is this:
How many people read Axios?
How many people get their news from Fox "News"?
They were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath."
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I dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years? | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately."
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40 years. Since Reagan. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?"
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And when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.
Lucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan."
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Wouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.
Mainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other "news debate" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.
*Typo | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean."
] |
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Wouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.
And at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo"
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The real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe."
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Almost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed."
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Look, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them."
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In the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called "Horse and Sparrow" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model.
Hoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use "trickle down".
They didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.
Nationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)
Then came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term "voodoo economics" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.
The GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise."
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The problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so."
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While having taxpayers pay for the dam. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam."
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Republicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam."
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Democrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention."
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Democrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality
I mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them."
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Based on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other."
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And wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden."
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Are Xboxes "woke" or whatever the fuck, now? | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness."
] |
>
Wow. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?"
] |
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The people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible.
The US is built for corporations, not for Americans. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow."
] |
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It has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s.
The enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans."
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Republicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling."
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That isn't really what they mean when they say "great America". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate"
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I know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed."
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Clinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.
Republicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy"
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They were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control."
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Fun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).
It's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit."
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Faux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.
Pattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful."
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"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful.",
">\n\nFaux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.\nPattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later."
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The founding fathers: no taxation without representation.
Now the people not paying taxes get all the representation. Collectively, we're all paying for their good time. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful.",
">\n\nFaux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.\nPattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later.",
">\n\nShit, isn't that what happened in the 1920s?"
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Can someone explain to me simply why the national debt matters? | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful.",
">\n\nFaux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.\nPattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later.",
">\n\nShit, isn't that what happened in the 1920s?",
">\n\nThe founding fathers: no taxation without representation.\nNow the people not paying taxes get all the representation. Collectively, we're all paying for their good time."
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The issue is not with the debt itself but rather the interest on that debt. Tax money going toward interest payments is money not being spent on government services. So if you keep increasing the national debt year over year via deficit spending, then each year a higher percentage of tax revenues has to be spent on interest payments, thus lowering the percentage spent on government services.
Trillions of dollars of national debt means billions of dollars in interest payments. I think we can all agree that it would be better to use those billions of dollars to fund essential government services. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful.",
">\n\nFaux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.\nPattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later.",
">\n\nShit, isn't that what happened in the 1920s?",
">\n\nThe founding fathers: no taxation without representation.\nNow the people not paying taxes get all the representation. Collectively, we're all paying for their good time.",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me simply why the national debt matters?"
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What if the government just... didn't pay the interest? Somebody going to arrest them or something? | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful.",
">\n\nFaux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.\nPattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later.",
">\n\nShit, isn't that what happened in the 1920s?",
">\n\nThe founding fathers: no taxation without representation.\nNow the people not paying taxes get all the representation. Collectively, we're all paying for their good time.",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me simply why the national debt matters?",
">\n\nThe issue is not with the debt itself but rather the interest on that debt. Tax money going toward interest payments is money not being spent on government services. So if you keep increasing the national debt year over year via deficit spending, then each year a higher percentage of tax revenues has to be spent on interest payments, thus lowering the percentage spent on government services. \nTrillions of dollars of national debt means billions of dollars in interest payments. I think we can all agree that it would be better to use those billions of dollars to fund essential government services."
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That would be defaulting on our debt. The two issues with that are:
1) The 14th amendment expressly states that the US must pay it's obligations (aka debt payments)
2) It would hurt the countries credit rating (the same way people have credit scores) and any future borrowing (which we have to do since we run a deficit) would be at a higher interest rate. | [
"Dude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it. Donnie literally used this as a re-election talking point and said he’s make em permanent as a way to buy votes but well hurr hurr Biden pelosi hurr hurr",
">\n\n\nDude I can scream this shit till my face is blue and they deny it.\n\nI mean I still can't get the republicans in my life to understand progressive taxation. They are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket... For a group of people who like to waste so much air moralizing about fiscal responsibility and chiding other for how they spend their money, they don't know shit about any of it.",
">\n\n\nThey are still convinced that they can make less money if they barely cross over the threshold of a new tax bracket..\n\nMy god yes, this is infuriating to me.",
">\n\nNever get angry because people were never taught something.\nBe angry it isn't taught.",
">\n\nThanks, I agree. These are good words to live by. \nI do get frustrated though when I have to teach them about progressive taxation every time they bring it up yet forget by their next paycheck.",
">\n\nOf course, to borrow from you, it's infuriating. You are forced \"to drag\" along \"the confused\" every day like Sisyphus. Similar to the \"No Child Left Behind\"?\nThe poorly educated are easy to control, to manipulate, to swindle.\nHow do we handle the better educated? How do we keep them under control?\nOne way is by making them responsible for the poorly educated. They are then too busy to see how they too are getting swindled, just differently. Wearing multiple hats at a job? Another way of getting the work of many but only paying for one.\nI like paying my taxes, because I hate living with uneducated people.\nHarrison Bergeron - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.\n\nAnd George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.\n\nYou don't need high intelligence, or way above normal intelligence. The screaming radios are in all our ears via controlled media, social media, our leaders, and our work places. We will not make progress forward until a solution is put in place.",
">\n\nI'm all for universal Healthcare, universal education, universal child care, and universal basic income... Because it will mean I need to interact with fewer shit people.",
">\n\nThe Republican playbook is to run up the bill as much as possible when in power and then complain that the Democrats don’t do enough to reduce it.",
">\n\nThey were blaming Biden for the runaway debt before he even took the oath.",
">\n\nVery true. But the problem is this:\nHow many people read Axios?\nHow many people get their news from Fox \"News\"?\nThey were called out for it, but nobody knows. Unfortunately.",
">\n\nI dont need to read something to confirm what I have seen going on before my very eyes for the last...what 30 years?",
">\n\n40 years. Since Reagan.",
">\n\nAnd when Clinton actually balanced the budget — supposedly the conservative holy grail — literally every republican in congress voted against it. Then they campaigned against it in the next election and the first thing they did after winning back the house was make limbaugh an honorary member of congress because they only care about power, not governing.\nLucky for maga, the so-called liberal media doesn't think its their job to remind the voters of their history. Instead, its like each day the slate is wiped clean.",
">\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\nMainstream journalism, especially the televised variety, has been little more than a senstionalised he said/she said for decades now. Looking at you, Crossfire* and other \"news debate\" shows. Journalism is not a debate, it's a time-honored craft with rules and conventions. None of those rules is meant to include making sure both sides of every debate get equal screen time, no matter how nutty or demonstrably false.\n*Typo",
">\n\n\nWouldn't want to be accused of media bias, so surely the thing to do is frame every single issue as a balanced debate, even when one side is playing the game in bad faith.\n\nAnd at the end of the day, treating two unequal things as if they are equal is itself a form of bias. But its a bias that people don't usually throw tantrums over, so its safe.",
">\n\nThe real crime here, which nobody talks about, is that the trump tax cuts were deficit spending, meaning the US borrowed the money and added to the deficit. That means the rich got the tax breaks and now the tax payers have to pay off the loan. It's the largest transfer of wealth in history and no one seems to realize they've just been robed.",
">\n\nAlmost all of our fiscal policy since the 70’s has been a wealth transfer. Today, I think the largest robbery is happening on Wall-Street, who are fueling their “infinite-growth” with workers wages, and by destroying companies for short term-profit, which is likely who bought the tax cuts from Trump…I mean “lobbied” for them.",
">\n\nLook, man. No one said the trickle down was gonna me immediate. Give it another couple generations, and we will all be swimming in the flood…they promise.",
">\n\nIn the late 1800's, the supply-side model was called \"Horse and Sparrow\" economics, on the theory that if one feeds the horses enough oats, eventually there will be something left behind for the sparrows. The 1896 panic is the result of this model. \nHoover's belief in the strengthening of businesses such as banks and railroads to fight the Great Depression lead to Will Rogers to be the first to use \"trickle down\".\n\nThey didn't start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.\n\n\nNationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932)\n\nThen came Reaganomics, a model based on the principles of supply-side economics and the trickle-down theory. George H. W. Bush coined the term \"voodoo economics\" as a proposed synonym for Reaganomics before he became Reagan's VP.\nThe GOP keeps parading this old pig out each time they can with just a different color of lipstick in the hope that the US citizens will think it is great new economic policy. Unfortunately, do believe it to be so.",
">\n\nThe problem is that the rich build dams to build their wealth and the trickle down river runs low. Now that river is almost dry and the dam is overflowing, so they just build another dam.",
">\n\nWhile having taxpayers pay for the dam.",
">\n\nRepublicans aren't going to tell American the real cause of anything. Republicans are never going to tell the truth, but they're also really bad at concealing that truth. They are a grift enterprise, full stop. The modern Republican party exists to funnel wealth upward, to exacerbate the worst exploitative tendencies of capitalism. And as a natural end product of that naked greed, they have embraced full-on nationalism/fascism, and play to the worst instincts of the worst people, all in service to greed. So yeah, anyone who doesn't know that by this point has really not been paying attention.",
">\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality. They are left if the center/center and not this progressive, leftist conspiracy FOX News peddles. The GOP and their ultra rich 1% donors exploit the denial their constituents exist in. They know they’re tired and upset because their lives and the world didn’t turn out threat they thought it would and they need to blame someone and have an outlet for their misery. This why they flock to FOX News… misery loves company and those who will have a pity party with them.",
">\n\n\nDemocrats aren’t going to tell Americans, either, but they are at least more middle of the road about it and live in SOME kind of reality\n\nI mean, there are some shitty Dems too (both sides), but you can see Dems cannibalize one another, whereas republicans just double down and defend each other.",
">\n\nBased on my countless hours of watching Fox News I can safely say it's a combination of all the DOJ witch hunts on Trump and laptop repair bills for Hunter Biden.",
">\n\nAnd wokeness. And CRT and electric stoves and Xboxes and M&Ms. But mostly the wokeness.",
">\n\nAre Xboxes \"woke\" or whatever the fuck, now?",
">\n\nWow.",
">\n\nThe people who get trillions in government subsidies pay extremely low effective tax rates because the system is built to make everything they do tax deductible. \nThe US is built for corporations, not for Americans.",
">\n\nIt has not always been this way. The top tax bracket rate was over 90% in the 40s and 50s. \nThe enormous shift we've seen has happened since then, got a rapid increase with Reagan, and then a turbo boost in 2010 with the Citizens United ruling.",
">\n\nRepublicans wanted to “make america great again” but were either too dumb to recognize or not willing to admit that the middle class boomed in the 50’s because of such a high rate",
">\n\nThat isn't really what they mean when they say \"great America\". They mean white, and male, and conservative, and Christian. Also, none of them were alive during the time they idolize, and they're yearning for something that never existed.",
">\n\nI know that’s what they mean. I was trying to give the most charitable interpretation possible-in which they are still wrong and bat shit crazy",
">\n\nClinton gave us a surplus and Bush fucked that up. Ever since then Republicans have been worse for the debt. Democrats tend to spend on investments to the country that give a good return. Republicans jand out money to their wealthy donors which bring little back or negative returns.\nRepublicans are a disaster for our debt. Look how much they fucked it up when they had total control.",
">\n\nThey were worse for debt before Dubya. Reagan blew it up doing his shit.",
">\n\nFun fact, Reagan also ballooned the budget and deficit of California during his stint as governor. He ran on eliminating wasteful government programs and cutting spending, and ended his term with the highest increase in both budget and deficit in California's history up to that point. All he ended up doing was defunding the CSU/UC systems (bad move that hurt the state) and shutting down state mental health facilities (really bad move that hurt the state).\nIt's safe to say, Reagan did nothing good for anyone ever. Being that's a universal statement, I'd be interested if there was anything good that came from that man's existence, but I'm doubtful.",
">\n\nFaux middle class economic explosion, as with other GOP presidents after him.\nPattern has been the same for 50 years- stock market booms, companies go on a manic spree, credit expands drastically, people feel rich...then it all implodes disastrously 4 to 8 years later.",
">\n\nShit, isn't that what happened in the 1920s?",
">\n\nThe founding fathers: no taxation without representation.\nNow the people not paying taxes get all the representation. Collectively, we're all paying for their good time.",
">\n\nCan someone explain to me simply why the national debt matters?",
">\n\nThe issue is not with the debt itself but rather the interest on that debt. Tax money going toward interest payments is money not being spent on government services. So if you keep increasing the national debt year over year via deficit spending, then each year a higher percentage of tax revenues has to be spent on interest payments, thus lowering the percentage spent on government services. \nTrillions of dollars of national debt means billions of dollars in interest payments. I think we can all agree that it would be better to use those billions of dollars to fund essential government services.",
">\n\nWhat if the government just... didn't pay the interest? Somebody going to arrest them or something?"
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