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Um ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere."
] |
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Well it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little."
] |
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but did the front fall off? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke."
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Totally rad! | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?"
] |
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Geiger counter crackles | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!"
] |
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I knew that one guy on here was lying! | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles"
] |
>
Here I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!"
] |
>
r/emuwarflashbacks | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome."
] |
>
Max penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.
... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.
In the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks"
] |
>
If I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison."
] |
>
If I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?
How many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?"
] |
>
Well considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The "worldwide" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.
But to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?"
] |
>
a minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).
The fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland."
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America has cocaine bear.
Australia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO! | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over."
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Fun fact, the stolen taxidermied "Pablo Escobear" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings."
] |
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Cesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium
formate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium
formate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)"
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Phew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered."
] |
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Should have put an AirTag on it. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead"
] |
>
Gamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it."
] |
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Breaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags."
] |
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OK, WA is "Western Australia." I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack"
] |
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So this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something."
] |
>
I know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source.
For transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.
Either these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?"
] |
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The Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.
That is indeed a disappointingly low penalty. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with."
] |
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I wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?
I agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty."
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Why did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm."
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Yep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of "frantic" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned."
] |
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Here's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it."
] |
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Of course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy."
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Keep it in a Tupperware ffs | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them."
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It kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs"
] |
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My brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source."
] |
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They're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State."
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I wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it."
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It’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol"
] |
>
But in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack."
] |
>
He said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.
Not that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly."
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Yes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped."
] |
>
Still, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck.
I'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.
But "needle in a haystack" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road."
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"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area," Commissioner Klemm said.
He said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.
Not sure what they consider a "leak" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it."
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They detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing."
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Yes because a post in a sub called "World News" could only be about the USA, right? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state."
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How do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?"
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Probably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?"
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Interesting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone)."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask."
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I read the article but did they say this was used in mining?
How so specifically? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?"
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"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus"
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I’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?"
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Actually I have a good answer to this!
The background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.
Cesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively "ignore" background radiation and only flag spikes. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?"
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Oh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!! | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!"
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It must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?"
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experts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up."
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I won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.
The allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”"
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The post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world."
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I know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's..."
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Thank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over "outback" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington"
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Shit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️ | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused"
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it apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth
Are they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that "off the back off a truck"?!
Fuck that, get that shit sorted Australia. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside."
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Just so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂 | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂"
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Good for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone? | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism"
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Yeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics",
">\n\nHow it ended up in a Washington State Subaru Outback, we may never know."
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The article? OMG, they quite literally found the needle in the haystack? Why the hell were they wasting their time and resources looking for a NEEDLE when the dangerous thing they lost was a radioactive CAPSULE!
Even if they were looking for a literal needle, it would have been magnetic, lying somewhere among non magnetic organic material (literal haystack.)
Figuratively!
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics",
">\n\nHow it ended up in a Washington State Subaru Outback, we may never know.",
">\n\nr/angryupvote"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics",
">\n\nHow it ended up in a Washington State Subaru Outback, we may never know.",
">\n\nr/angryupvote",
">\n\nThe article? OMG, they quite literally found the needle in the haystack? Why the hell were they wasting their time and resources looking for a NEEDLE when the dangerous thing they lost was a radioactive CAPSULE!\nEven if they were looking for a literal needle, it would have been magnetic, lying somewhere among non magnetic organic material (literal haystack.)\nFiguratively!\nFFS! That’s the word you want."
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I mean it says in the article but for more information it’s normally stored in a lead lined locked box. They claim a bolt came loose and it rolled out. | [
"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics",
">\n\nHow it ended up in a Washington State Subaru Outback, we may never know.",
">\n\nr/angryupvote",
">\n\nThe article? OMG, they quite literally found the needle in the haystack? Why the hell were they wasting their time and resources looking for a NEEDLE when the dangerous thing they lost was a radioactive CAPSULE!\nEven if they were looking for a literal needle, it would have been magnetic, lying somewhere among non magnetic organic material (literal haystack.)\nFiguratively!\nFFS! That’s the word you want.",
">\n\nHow did they even loose it, it wasnt in some kind of packaging?"
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics",
">\n\nHow it ended up in a Washington State Subaru Outback, we may never know.",
">\n\nr/angryupvote",
">\n\nThe article? OMG, they quite literally found the needle in the haystack? Why the hell were they wasting their time and resources looking for a NEEDLE when the dangerous thing they lost was a radioactive CAPSULE!\nEven if they were looking for a literal needle, it would have been magnetic, lying somewhere among non magnetic organic material (literal haystack.)\nFiguratively!\nFFS! That’s the word you want.",
">\n\nHow did they even loose it, it wasnt in some kind of packaging?",
">\n\nI mean it says in the article but for more information it’s normally stored in a lead lined locked box. They claim a bolt came loose and it rolled out."
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"The Australian Defence Force has been asked to verify the recovered capsule by checking its serial number.\n\nYou want to read it? The number is small and I've forgotten my glasses.",
">\n\nI did wonder if they just stopped the search after finding the first radioactive object of the right size.",
">\n\nThey would have been able to identify the specific nuclide (Cesium-137) with the right equipment, and knowing the dimensions and radioactivity would either be confident it's the same one or there's pattern of identical capsules being lost on the same stretch of road.",
">\n\nGiven the length of road in question I wouldn't rule it out until I saw the serial number.",
">\n\nNot radioactive, but I read about an incident where someone didn’t set the latches on a rocket pod properly, and between the pad and the target range (training exercise for helicopter gunship crews) 3 rockets went AWOL. Army did a “hands across America” sweep looking for them. Of the 3 rockets lost, >!6 were found. From serial numbers, it was determined that all 3 of the rockets lost on that mission were recovered. Probably didn’t go very well for the other people (traceable to mission by the serial numbers) who lost rockets but didn’t report them.!<",
">\n\nThe same thing happened after Shuttle Columbia disintegrated. NASA asked people who found debris to send it in, no questions asked. They ended up getting back doubles of stuff of which the shuttle only had one. Turns out people were using the amnesty to return pieces of Challenger and clear their conciouses.",
">\n\nHow the hell was there that much debris from Challenger ending up in private hands? It fell into the ocean",
">\n\nIt happened in Florida. There’s lots of boats here. Shit, lbs of drugs wash up on shore here a few times a year. Pirates life for me!",
">\n\n\nPirates life for me!\n\nYep there's the Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa, Florida",
">\n\nGasparilla Pirate Festival \n\nThe Gasparilla Pirate Festival (often simply referred to as \"Gasparilla\") is a large parade and a host of related community events held in Tampa, Florida almost every year since 1904. The centerpiece of the festivities is the Parade of Pirates (often referred to as the Gasparilla Parade), which is a friendly invasion by the mythical pirate José Gaspar (also known as Gasparilla), who is a popular figure in Florida folklore despite the fact that he did not exist. The parade is organized by Ye Mystic Krewe of Gasparilla (YMKG), a local organization modeled after the \"krewes\" of Mardi Gras in New Orleans who play the parts of Gaspar and his crew.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">\n\nPlease put it in a box next time. A yellow one with glow-in-the-dark strips. And maybe put the box in a bigger one that can be strapped down?",
">\n\nAnd don’t make the screw-holes in the box BIGGER than the item it’s carrying. Slap a bit of duct tape over the screws to be safe.\nAnd check the packaging is intact throughout the journey and verify the contents is still there when it arrives and not several days later…!",
">\n\nHello sir, \nI am sad to inform you that your idea is not feasible. That would require us to spend manhours and money, which would cut into our corporate profit. \nSincerely, \nTransportation company",
">\n\nYou had me in the first half I won’t lie lol",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nlol. Oh you lost some highly dangerous radioactive material? Here, company that makes 7.3 million dollars an hour, have a $1000 fine.",
">\n\nI feel like this may be one of those situations where the fine is purposely low to encourage companies to not try and cover up their fuckups.",
">\n\nThat is true. Never thought of it that way before.",
">\n\nYeah, in capitalist countries where private citizens run huge portions of the economy for their own interests the people are basically held hostage by the previously mentioned powerful private citizens.",
">\n\nRegulatory Capture is a threat to modernist economic theories, the solution is a strong democracy and independent media that can respond to power corruption with the removal of mandates.\nWhen democracy is weak, wealth or strength make right, and the capture remains unchallenged.",
">\n\n\"Regulatory capture\" is a fancy way of nudging away the inherent undemocratic outcome of capitalism. \nAnd if the media is for profit it can never be independent, sadly. And even under capitalism state media obeys national interests, which are in the hands of private individuals. \nAnd funded orgs like NGOs rarely have independent interests as they obey whoever does the funding and unless it's the people it's some rich guy getting a tax break or a think tank or partisan state funding, and even bipartisan funding is subject to the national interests of capitalists.",
">\n\nIndependent media does exist, it’s just niche to the point of irrelevancy as the media that serves capitalism has the resources to drown it out.\nCharities and NGOs wouldn’t need to exist in socialism as they are external agents with the aim to pay the social and environmental cost failed to be met by agents within the system, because the regulations set are inadequate. I am all for regulation to the point of unprofitablility because if it’s that socially or environmentally destructive compared to the value of the outcome, humanity shouldn’t be doing it.",
">\n\nSeriously? That's damn amazing!!",
">\n\nAll of this reminded me of the poor soviet bastards that found a RTG (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator) which they subsequently used to stay warm by handling it and lying next to it while they slept. \nWiki for the Lia Radiological Accident",
">\n\nThe idea that the plutonium is having an appreciable impact on ice melting seems pretty suspect. The 4 pounds of plutonium that were lost only produced around 900W of thermal energy which seems pretty small compared to the amount of sunlight hitting the mountain (~1000 W/sq m) or the effects of global warming (higher altitudes experience greater rates of warming).\nI think the much bigger concern is contamination of the Ganges river, which is fed by runoff from the mountain and provides water to over 400 million people.\nedit: corrected solar energy amount",
">\n\nFolks get some bizarre ideas about these things. Sure, if the plutonium caught on fire it could melt some ice, but that stuff just isn't that hot. I wouldn't even be worried about it poisoning the water.",
">\n\nPeople tend to talk out of their ass, have poor comprehension of large numbers, and not have very good knowledge or understanding of basic thermodynamics. Just putting it into watts for the sake of easy comparison, as /u/NotSuitableForWoona did, is huge ask from the general public.",
">\n\nYeah. People see something has an increase and assume it's a significant increase. Which isn't always the case.",
">\n\ni use the same source almost daily in my line of work. Ceasium-137 is gamma ray source we use for density determination in the formation in oil and gas wells.\nThe source capsule is small, but during transportation it is screwed in a ~30x30x30 cm lead container (this things weighs 80kgs), with a lock on it, and then that lead container is also placed in a bigger ~100x100x100 cm transportation box which has 2 locks on it. \nSo the question is, how the hell did it fall off the truck transporting it?",
">\n\nIt was left inside the piece of equipment that uses it said piece of equipment gel over and broke open after three bolts sheeted off apparently.",
">\n\n\nsheeted\n\nSheared + yeeted?",
">\n\nYeah, he posted it on reddit yesterday... duh!",
">\n\nLike 4 times 😒",
">\n\nSome guy on r/Pics. It was a joke, of course, but hilarious. I'll see if I can find the post again.\nEdit: There.",
">\n\nWhen I saw this post I legitimately thought it was OP of that post creating a fake news article as part of his shitposting. Kind of disappointed it isn't.",
">\n\nI was hoping for a multi day tie-in to make my morning",
">\n\nRio Tinto is 'happy' to pay for the cost of the search if asked to. $1000 maximum fine. The government better ask them to pay for costs.",
">\n\nNow, the question is will anybody be punished for this absolute cockup?",
">\n\n$1000 max fine",
">\n\nThat'll put a dent in Rio's finances for sure.",
">\n\nIt was a contractor to Rio, so not even their fine to pay.",
">\n\nRio seems to be handling this PR disaster nicely, they seem to have taken ownership of the problem including reimbursement of costs.\n\n\"But certainly, I do want to state Rio Tinto have been exceptional in terms of how they have reached out to us and offered all levels of support, so I'm very grateful for that offer from Simon Trott.\" (Dawson)\n\"I would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search, of course that ultimately is a matter for the state government,\" he (Trott) said.\n\"There will be a full investigation, we'll fully cooperate with the investigation, if as part of that there's a request from government, we would be happy to reimburse the cost of the search.\"",
">\n\nIf only there was a bird-named company that sells ruggedized, sealed plastic containers in which a capsule inside a sealed lead pig could be placed. I think Pelican Case would be a great idea for a business!",
">\n\nIs it Twitter?",
">\n\nPelican cases",
">\n\nNo, they’re thinking of Albatross Tubs.",
">\n\nPenguin Pods, I'm sure of it.",
">\n\nLocal Australian company, Cassowary Capsules.",
">\n\nELI5, how is this radioactive capsule used for mining?",
">\n\nI don't know about this specific tool. But there's a tool called Nuclear Densometer that uses radiation to measure the density of materials. \nUsual material test include taking a sample of this material to test in a lab but sometimes you can't do any damage to this material so a nuclear Densometer does the same test in-situ with no damage. \nFunny thing those Nuclear Densometers are stolen like 3 times a year where I live but they always appear after a week sold somewhere.",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck\n\nUm ok, you’ll have to expand on that a little.",
">\n\nWell it was in a box on the truck, but the box broke.",
">\n\nbut did the front fall off?",
">\n\nTotally rad!",
">\n\nGeiger counter crackles",
">\n\nI knew that one guy on here was lying!",
">\n\nHere I was, hoping that we would see a new breed of mutant Emus in a few years time. Emu War II would have been awesome.",
">\n\nr/emuwarflashbacks",
">\n\nMax penalty for mishandling radiation sources is $1000.\n... Yeah you're definitely gonna wanna update that because it's gonna be a company receiving this fine and that is nothing to them.\nIn the US they would be able to go after them under the Department of Transportation alone which has penalties that can easily edge into the $100k to millions, and also employees responsible can personally go to prison.",
">\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?",
">\n\n\nIf I was a billion dollar company, I'd rather be under investigation in the USA than the same in Australia. How many Americans went to prison after the 2008 banking crisis?\n\nHow many people went to jail or faced fines for that internationally?",
">\n\nWell considering it was almost entirely a US-caused issue (sub-prime mortgages, that is), would you expect other countries to be prosecuting people? The \"worldwide\" financial crisis was almost entirely caused by US banking collapses, which had a predictable ripple effect through the world, although obviously many banks from around the world were dipping their greedy fingers into the US sub-prime derivative markets.\nBut to answer your question, 47 bankers worldwide were jailed as a result of the crisis. Half of those were from a single European country, Iceland. In the US, the source of the crisis, a grand total of one banker, born in Egypt and working for a Swiss bank, was jailed. The rest were from various European countries, primarily Spain and Ireland.",
">\n\na minor nitpick: sub-prime mortgages didn't cause the crisis. There is nothing inherently wrong with a shit asset you know is shit if it's priced right (ie cents on the nominal dollar).\nThe fundamental problem is that the risk was mispriced, punching above its weight (in big part thanks to the rating agencies mandated by the govt) and it was used as collateral to back more shit than it could handle. Once the chain unwind started to happen it was over.",
">\n\nAmerica has cocaine bear.\nAustralia was about to have ATOMIC KANGAROO!",
">\n\nFun fact, the stolen taxidermied \"Pablo Escobear\" was ultimately found in the private collection of Waylan Jennings.",
">\n\nAustralia is radiating calm, now :-)",
">\n\nCesium formate fluids are rented to oil and gas clients, and after completion of the well, the used cesium\nformate fluids are returned and reprocessed for subsequent drilling operations. Approximately 15% of the cesium\nformate may be lost in the well. There are no data available on the amounts used or recovered.",
">\n\nPhew.....I can breath easier now regarding my fear of kangaroo kaiju in 2023. Now if I can get them to stop translating the book of the dead",
">\n\nShould have put an AirTag on it.",
">\n\nGamma source has much greater range than Bluetooth. Maybe Apple should be selling capsules to keep track of AirTags.",
">\n\nBreaking news, Australia finds needle in haystack",
">\n\nOK, WA is \"Western Australia.\" I spent a minute thinking the capsule was found next to the Bloomin' Onion Serving Station in Olympia or something.",
">\n\nSo this is a capsule that needs a 20m safe zone around it that was apparently just tossed the the back of a truck? It seems like there were some safely issues here no?",
">\n\nI know, right? I work in an industry that uses radioactive sources of a similar size with slightly lower levels of radioactivity than the missing source. \nFor transport, they are sealed in a glass vial with a rubber stopper and a crimped aluminium lid, which is then placed in a lead-lined container that is screwed shut, stuffed into very snug foam packaging and the whole lot is popped into a cardboard box which is then taped and stapled shut before being plastered with radiation hazard stickers.\nEither these people somehow cocked up all of those steps (in addition to having a shoddily-maintained truck) or they weren’t implementing proper storage and transport procedures to begin with.",
">\n\n\nThe Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning joined those disappointed to learn the maximum penalty for mishandling radioactive material in such a manner was $1,000.\n\nThat is indeed a disappointingly low penalty.",
">\n\nI wonder if it's a case of keeping the penalty low so that incidents don't go unreported for fear of massive legal/financial blowback?\nI agree though, it seems like a pittance for the potential harm.",
">\n\nWhy did they go with a frantic search, maybe a measured and calm search would have been better for all concerned.",
">\n\nYep, the search was definitely measured and calm. Not an ounce of \"frantic\" anywhere other than the inevitable over-excitement of the media outlets in reporting it.",
">\n\nHere's my brief main character syndrome story: I'm from WA State in the US and was so confused for a moment by the headline. Like, it was in Australia... how'd it get here? Why was anyone even looking here? Ohhhhhhhh dummy.",
">\n\nOf course I'm thinking that they didn't find it at all, and just said they did with a spare to get the heat off of them.",
">\n\nKeep it in a Tupperware ffs",
">\n\nIt kinda blows my mind that the containment for this source was so incredibly sloppy. There's more redundancy and security for my daily deliveries of low-energy/low activity stuff for medical imaging than this potentially lethal and easily misplaced source.",
">\n\nMy brain thought this meant they found it at an Outback Steakhouse in Washington State.",
">\n\nThey're really reaching for some alarming headlines, I doubt the search was overly frantic. It's the Australian outback, there aren't a whole lot of people out there who would happen upon it.",
">\n\nI wanna know why they put radioactive material in a capsule of that size lol",
">\n\nIt’s 6mm x 8mm in size, they literally found a needle in a haystack.",
">\n\nBut in this case the needle was giving off detectable levels of radiation which helped significantly.",
">\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot that this isn't a great result but I laughed when I read this. I was imagining lines of hundreds of people slowly sweeping the outback staring at the ground. This isn't a needle in a haystack, they literally just drove around in a bunch of cars until the device beeped.",
">\n\nYes but it only would have worked if the capsule was within about 15m of the edge of the road.",
">\n\nStill, 15m from the edge of the road is exactly where you'd expect it to be since it fell off a truck. \nI'm trying not to downplay the great work to recover it.\nBut \"needle in a haystack\" is someone using their hands to find a needle in a large haystack. This is someone knowing exactly where the needle was dropped into the haystack then using a magnet to find it.",
">\n\n\n\"In the extremely unlikely situation that the capsule leaked, we will remediate the area,\" Commissioner Klemm said.\n\n\n\nHe said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.\n\nNot sure what they consider a \"leak\" but obviously something is coming off it if it can be detected at 70 kph.",
">\n\nThey detected gamma rays, those pass through things, it doesn’t have to leak. Leaking would imply the source was no longer contained within the casing.",
">\n\nAs an American this head line implies that it was lost an Outback Steakhouse in Washington state.",
">\n\nYes because a post in a sub called \"World News\" could only be about the USA, right?",
">\n\nHow do you randomly lose a radioactive capsule? Did it fall out of the driver's pick-up truck when he went over some rocky terrain?",
">\n\nProbably the same way you forget about notifying anyone that you lost it for a fortnight: negligence.",
">\n\nInteresting that it took so long to find it considering how the detection vehicle was driving at near highway speeds and the object was close to the road.",
">\n\nThey started at the other end (Perth) because the risk was higher (it's populated whereas everything else is very empty). But they didn't find it until just outside Newman (the other end of the search zone).",
">\n\nthey finaly went to u/JephriB 's house?",
">\n\nAll they had to do was ask.",
">\n\nwow, just using geiger counters i guess? what a wild story",
">\n\nI read the article but did they say this was used in mining?\nHow so specifically?",
">\n\nIts too late now. The giga spiders have already evolved.",
">\n\n\"The search crews have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\"\nCrazy that they found it in a haystack /s",
">\n\nThose damn Emus",
">\n\nSometimes you stay up too late and have to wonder where the outback of Washington state is.",
">\n\nI’m confused why wasn’t this item inside a larger storage and transport container? I have Pelican cases and they have have survived helo crashes closed and intact. They have to have had some kind of securing container to keep that thing in, right?",
">\n\nProbably a stupid question…but what is the purpose of these tiny radioactive balls of death in the first place? It says “used in mining equipment”, why the hell do you need an actively emitting radiation source in mining equipment?",
">\n\nActually I have a good answer to this!\nThe background radiation is different everywhere, so if you're trying to measure for localized radiation within areas/material being mined, your sensor needs calibrated to the effect of background radiation, almost like a tare weight.\nCesium-137 check sources are used because the radiation it emits is a known constant (technicality it degrades with time, but that's calculable). Calibrating to the known radiation value of the pellet means the sensor can effectively \"ignore\" background radiation and only flag spikes.",
">\n\nOh my god thank you!!! Clear, concise, educated me about why these exist. You rock, thank you again!!!",
">\n\nSo thats a No on the mutant radioactive Dire Wombats then?",
">\n\nIt must have been pretty easy to locate once the 30 foot, three-headed kangaroos started to show up.",
">\n\nexperts on reddit were telling me that nobody would ever find it though",
">\n\nI won’t google or click the story but I want to imagine the radioactive material was found at an Outback Steakhouse.\nThe allure of blooming onions wouldn’t be the first time important things got misplaced nor will it be the last.\nMmmmm homersimpson.jpg",
">\n\n“I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.”",
">\n\nWill the finder of this radioactive material be subject to significant dose?",
">\n\nThe post right above this in my frontpage is also about a radioactive capsule.\n Small world.",
">\n\nIt…fell of the truck??? What, did they just have a bucket of them in the bed or something? Jeez",
">\n\nI know this might have been said but why didn’t the use a five cent coun",
">\n\nThought losing it was a cover for selling it illegally. Guess not.",
">\n\nAh, we have it. It should be right over.... Wait. It's traveling. It's getting closer. Closer. It should be right here, but I can't see it. It's here! It's right here! It's...",
">\n\nFor Americans WA is Western Australia not Washington",
">\n\nThank you! My first thought was wow, that thing really traveled. I totally glossed over \"outback\" even though I saw other articles mention that it was from Australia. So I'm probably not the only one who was slightly confused",
">\n\nShit down south outback just means behind the house 🤷🏽♂️",
">\n\n\nit apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth\n\nAre they transporting these things in rickety old time haywagons or what the FUCK IS GOING ON, how do you lose something like that \"off the back off a truck\"?!\nFuck that, get that shit sorted Australia.",
">\n\nArticle says \"They have quite literally found the needle in the haystack.\" Yeah no, that's not how \"literally\" works. The only thing they found literally was a capsule on the roadside.",
">\n\nI think it is literally how it works in common parlance",
">\n\nJust so people know, the radioactive capsule was found in the outback of Western Australia. From The Guardian news article “a Rio Tinto mine site in the Pilbara region of Western Australia to Perth, was found south of the town of Newman”. But the states, WA (Western Australia) in Australia gets abbreviated as well, like American states get abbreviated 🙂",
">\n\nr/USdefaultism",
">\n\nGood for Australia. At the end of the day nobody’s gonna release the news that they misplaced radioactive material unless they have to. They cleaned up their mess. The real question is how many other countries have made the same mistake with as dangerous or worse consequences and haven’t told anyone?",
">\n\nYeah, no duh. The person who found it posted up over in r/pics",
">\n\nHow it ended up in a Washington State Subaru Outback, we may never know.",
">\n\nr/angryupvote",
">\n\nThe article? OMG, they quite literally found the needle in the haystack? Why the hell were they wasting their time and resources looking for a NEEDLE when the dangerous thing they lost was a radioactive CAPSULE!\nEven if they were looking for a literal needle, it would have been magnetic, lying somewhere among non magnetic organic material (literal haystack.)\nFiguratively!\nFFS! That’s the word you want.",
">\n\nHow did they even loose it, it wasnt in some kind of packaging?",
">\n\nI mean it says in the article but for more information it’s normally stored in a lead lined locked box. They claim a bolt came loose and it rolled out.",
">\n\nAnd conservatives still pushing to deregulate everything."
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There needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time. | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016."
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There was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time."
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Unfortunately not active anymore | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President"
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/r/ThanksObama | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore"
] |
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Whatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport. | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama"
] |
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And things weren't great but they were damn sure better. And a black president means other kids can see what is possible and society as a whole is better for it. | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama",
">\n\nWhatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport."
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Yes, regardless of his effectiveness, it was a good thing for that reason. He is a good man although I thought some of his actions were naive. Although I’ve never been potus so I shouldn’t criticize. | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama",
">\n\nWhatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport.",
">\n\nAnd things weren't great but they were damn sure better. And a black president means other kids can see what is possible and society as a whole is better for it."
] |
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All the Times Trump Bashed the Fifth Amendment | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama",
">\n\nWhatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport.",
">\n\nAnd things weren't great but they were damn sure better. And a black president means other kids can see what is possible and society as a whole is better for it.",
">\n\nYes, regardless of his effectiveness, it was a good thing for that reason. He is a good man although I thought some of his actions were naive. Although I’ve never been potus so I shouldn’t criticize."
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God, it hurts me so much to hear him talk and remember that this clown lead our nation. The only other people over heard talk like that IRL were employers who had no fucking clue how to run their business but always knew who to blame. | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama",
">\n\nWhatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport.",
">\n\nAnd things weren't great but they were damn sure better. And a black president means other kids can see what is possible and society as a whole is better for it.",
">\n\nYes, regardless of his effectiveness, it was a good thing for that reason. He is a good man although I thought some of his actions were naive. Although I’ve never been potus so I shouldn’t criticize.",
">\n\nAll the Times Trump Bashed the Fifth Amendment"
] |
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God, it hurts me so much to hear him talk and remember that this clown lead our nation.
Good. Keep that energy up.
Every single clown in this country who still supports this absolute buffoon needs to feel that energy too.
My coworkers and other people at work, I let em know what I think. I don't back down anymore.
It gets harder and harder for them to believe the election was stolen and people really didn't support Biden like we did. But we fucking did. We just don't go screaming about being "Bideners" like those clowns. | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama",
">\n\nWhatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport.",
">\n\nAnd things weren't great but they were damn sure better. And a black president means other kids can see what is possible and society as a whole is better for it.",
">\n\nYes, regardless of his effectiveness, it was a good thing for that reason. He is a good man although I thought some of his actions were naive. Although I’ve never been potus so I shouldn’t criticize.",
">\n\nAll the Times Trump Bashed the Fifth Amendment",
">\n\nGod, it hurts me so much to hear him talk and remember that this clown lead our nation. The only other people over heard talk like that IRL were employers who had no fucking clue how to run their business but always knew who to blame."
] |
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Problem is those clowns live that energy anything that bothers their perceived enemies is good even if it actively harms them… | [
"“If you are innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” - Former POTUS Donald J Trump, 2016.",
">\n\nThere needs to be a cut of each one of his fifths with him then saying this each time.",
">\n\nThere was actually an entire subreddit for it. It dropped in activity since he was no longer President",
">\n\nUnfortunately not active anymore",
">\n\n/r/ThanksObama",
">\n\nWhatever one might say about his presidency, Obama was always a gentleman. Remember when he read those tweets from people. Good sport.",
">\n\nAnd things weren't great but they were damn sure better. And a black president means other kids can see what is possible and society as a whole is better for it.",
">\n\nYes, regardless of his effectiveness, it was a good thing for that reason. He is a good man although I thought some of his actions were naive. Although I’ve never been potus so I shouldn’t criticize.",
">\n\nAll the Times Trump Bashed the Fifth Amendment",
">\n\nGod, it hurts me so much to hear him talk and remember that this clown lead our nation. The only other people over heard talk like that IRL were employers who had no fucking clue how to run their business but always knew who to blame.",
">\n\n\nGod, it hurts me so much to hear him talk and remember that this clown lead our nation.\n\nGood. Keep that energy up. \nEvery single clown in this country who still supports this absolute buffoon needs to feel that energy too.\nMy coworkers and other people at work, I let em know what I think. I don't back down anymore. \nIt gets harder and harder for them to believe the election was stolen and people really didn't support Biden like we did. But we fucking did. We just don't go screaming about being \"Bideners\" like those clowns."
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