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[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course..." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"..." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID)." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses...." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid.", ">\n\nMy husbands Urgent Care just shut down bc a mother brought her child in with measles….obviously unvaccinated." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid.", ">\n\nMy husbands Urgent Care just shut down bc a mother brought her child in with measles….obviously unvaccinated.", ">\n\nWait…you mean to tell me that consistent, timely vaccination had essentially eliminated a dangerous illness…and that it resurged when people decided they knew better than science? Get out of town. 🤦🏻‍♂️" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid.", ">\n\nMy husbands Urgent Care just shut down bc a mother brought her child in with measles….obviously unvaccinated.", ">\n\nWait…you mean to tell me that consistent, timely vaccination had essentially eliminated a dangerous illness…and that it resurged when people decided they knew better than science? Get out of town. 🤦🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nI feel sorry for the kids, not for their parents." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid.", ">\n\nMy husbands Urgent Care just shut down bc a mother brought her child in with measles….obviously unvaccinated.", ">\n\nWait…you mean to tell me that consistent, timely vaccination had essentially eliminated a dangerous illness…and that it resurged when people decided they knew better than science? Get out of town. 🤦🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nI feel sorry for the kids, not for their parents.", ">\n\nSo if an antivaxxer gets sick, do they go to the Dr? They don't believe in science, so do they just eat herbs and wish for the best or what" ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid.", ">\n\nMy husbands Urgent Care just shut down bc a mother brought her child in with measles….obviously unvaccinated.", ">\n\nWait…you mean to tell me that consistent, timely vaccination had essentially eliminated a dangerous illness…and that it resurged when people decided they knew better than science? Get out of town. 🤦🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nI feel sorry for the kids, not for their parents.", ">\n\nSo if an antivaxxer gets sick, do they go to the Dr? They don't believe in science, so do they just eat herbs and wish for the best or what", ">\n\nCPS should be involved any time a child ends up with something like measles. Denial of proper medical care, which includes vaccines, is a form of child abuse." ]

[ "I really wanna see how many antivaxxers would refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by a rabid animal.", ">\n\nThere was at least one.", ">\n\nHe died. I told my antivax mom about that and she just pretended I didn't say anything at all.", ">\n\nSheesh. One of the worst ways to die on top of that. The species progresses, one way or another", ">\n\nRabies is pretty much 100% fatal, and it is NOT a good way to go.", ">\n\nYeah without the vaccine somewhat immediately and then 3/4 more doses over the next month, it's 100% fatal. If you get bitten by a stray animal you should always go to a doctor. I would say any animal but it's situational. Your family dog is extremely likely to have rabies than a wild fox or so.\nHelplessness, hallucinations, inability to hydrate and then you start biting people because the virus is telling you to spread itself and making your brain think this is what you need to do.", ">\n\nI saw a video on here recently of a guy with rabies trying to drink water. The hydrophobia is so weird to me. Can you truly not drink it or are you actually just that scared of water?", ">\n\nThe muscles in your neck go into a very uncomfortable and painful spasm every time you try to swallow anything including your own saliva (which is why you see people/animals drooling). Swallowing becomes extremely difficult.", ">\n\nSuch a creepy thing to realize the way a virus works. Rabies is spread through saliva in wounds or on mucous membranes. So the disease makes you unable to swallow so you’re dripping with viral loaded saliva and aggressive (likely to bite/scratch).", ">\n\nWhich honestly makes it the biggest candidate for evolving and causing the zombie apocalypse. The disease turns it's host into a walking virus.", ">\n\nMy sister and I are both vaccinated but we both got measles from her unvaccinated classmate. I was hospitalized with measles and pneumonia. This was in the early 90s when being anti-vax wasn't trendy. I have no idea why that kid wasn't vaccinated.\nI tell this story a lot because I lived it. I'm extremely pro vaccine. It ultimately protected hundreds of kids in my school. I'm not mad that I was unlucky. I'm happy that the vaccine worked for so many... and me and my sister are still around, so big whoop.\nVaccinate your kids, stupid.\nEdit: Because people don't understand efficacy rates with vaccines: Two doses of the MMR is 97% effective at preventing measles. I was in that 3% and exposed to the virus.", ">\n\nMy mom withheld a lot of vaccines from me that I had to get later in life for college and international travel. \nAnti-vaxxers have been around for a while, just not necessarily as the major cultural movement it is today.", ">\n\nThere are 2 types of \"ant-vaxxer\"\nThere are those radically opposed based on \"their own research\" and then there are those that just are too lazy and can't be bothered to keep up with the vaccine schedule.\nIt's why public vaccination campaigns in schools are so important. We know like 20% of parents will never have their shit together but don't actively avoid vaccines.", ">\n\nMy mom fell in the middle. She was dubious but not militant until recently. She was convinced that vaccines gave my brother his diet sensitivities and cause his behavior issues because he got all of them and I didn’t and I ‘didn’t have those problems’.", ">\n\n\"Could it be DNA or parenting? No, it's the vaccines who are wrong\"", ">\n\nI’ve always been vocally pro-vaccine. My son was just recently diagnosed with autism. It is really annoying/frustrating the attitudes and looks I get from the anti-vaccine people in my life. Nobody has flat out said, “I told you so!” but the looks on their faces say it all.\nBoth my mother and I have a number of autistic traits, clearly it is genetic. Even more annoying is most of these are people from my mother’s side of the family, and most of them have had conflicts with my mother over the years because of her complete lack of social awareness.\nOne minor example is the time she gave my teenage cousin with a bad acne problem a bar of facial soap and explained to her that she needed to scrub her face with it twice a day and it would help, this interactions took place in front of the entire extended family. My cousin looked extremely embarrassed, but my clueless mom continued by warning her that if she didn’t use the soap she’ll end up with horrible scaring. Cringy moment, my aunt and uncle stayed angry over that one for a while.", ">\n\nI have a sister, we had all the same vaccinations, I am autistic, she is definitely not. \nFaced with this simple, real life example, a lot of people would rather believe vaccines rather than which genes you inherit cause autism.\nI can only conclude that this is because vaccines are something they can control, and genetics something they can't, and they'd rather kid themselves that they are in control than protect the life and health of their children and everyone else's.", ">\n\nOhio is always having some sort of drama. I sure hope they all have good health insurance.", ">\n\nI’m unfortunately from Ohio and there’s so many anti vaxxers around me that it makes me feel as if the states average IQ is just plummeting. I mean I know brilliant engineers who won’t get vaccinated all of a sudden and they’re passing it down to their kids.", ">\n\nBeing an antivaxxer used to be something for hippie woowoos who sing to crystals and think that pyramids cure cancer or some shit.\nIt's fucking weird that regressives latched on to it.", ">\n\nIt's always been anti-science people. Anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate deniers, they all share these traits.\nIn California we passed a law saying you can't be anti-vax based on religion anymore and go to school. You can be homeschooled or get vaxed unless there's a medical reason and it needs two doctors I think to say that there is a health danger to you.", ">\n\nJust blows my mind that some engineers are anti-vax / anti-science. I’m an engineer and that would be the antithesis of my being.", ">\n\nWe saw the same thing with a lot of nurses too. The people that should be the most on board with vaccines had a non-trivial number refuse the covid vaccine.", ">\n\nThere was a woman that went into my friends pharmacy and asked them for proof of flu vaccine, but didn’t want the actual vaccine. They didn’t do it for her, but she was a NICU nurse.", ">\n\nI have family members who are L&D nurses and they claimed a religious exemption to skirt the covid vaccine. They also refuse the flu shot every year and sign waivers saying they understand if they get the flu their leave will be unpaid. They then rant about big pharma and doctors being morons who are paid puppets. I finally said if big pharma is so fucking evil and doctors are scum bags then why the fuck did yall go into the nursing profession??? Aaaand crickets.", ">\n\nIMO labor and delivery nurses are more likely to think of nursing and bringing “the miracle of life into the world” as a calling because they’re religious. Because of that, I’m not shocked that they are probably conservative anti vaxxers. Maybe they aren’t conservative but big money says they are. \nIt’s prevalent among the entire field though. Before Covid I had a bunch of coworkers in a cardiac icu who said that they wouldn’t get the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory. Very troubling.", ">\n\nYep totally agree about the miracle of life part is why religious folks are drawn to it. However, the family members who claimed a religious exemption aren't religious AT ALL. They lied and their hospitals were short staffed and couldn't prove one way or the other so they got away with it. To this day they cannot give any valid reasons for not getting a covid vaccine. They can't even give a good reason for not getting the flu shot outside of \"I don't want to and you can't make me\".", ">\n\nI'm so tired of the \"we did our own research\" crowd.\nNo, you didn't do your own research. You started with a belief and sought out information to confirm that belief.\nDoing research involves starting with a hypothesis that you recognize may or may not be accurate, then collecting data in a neutral and objective way — that is, controlling for all reasonable variables so as to not influence the outcome of the results — in an effort to affirm or reject your hypothesis.\nYou didn't do that. You didn't do research. You Googled \"evidence that vaccines cause autism\" or \"evidence that vaccines are dangerous\" and believed vaccinesarethemarkofthebeast.net instead of peer-reviewed science.\nIt's a shame, too; children are dying because their parents — many of whom are alive because their parents chose to get vaccinated against measles, polio, and other deadly diseases — are putting them in harm's way. \nIt's the height of modern hubris to reject well-documented scientific literature and the opinions of the overwhelming majority of medical professionals because you think you and your essential oil mom friends know better.", ">\n\nI saw a new one today. “Use something besides google.” I assume this means Bing lol.", ">\n\nYouTube (smh)", ">\n\nAll the most credible research comes from mommy tokkers.", ">\n\nI remember seeing an article about how people actually use TikTok as a search engine and just... why? Wtf is wrong with people they think they can learn something from a 30 second video?", ">\n\nI wish I had an award to give you for this. I got measles as an infant and almost died. Immediately after, I got an awful infection and was in the hospital for weeks. I catch EVERYTHING that goes around and I am sicker longer and worse than everyone else is. All thanks to measles.", ">\n\nAnd where did they go when their kids got the measles? Straight to their doctors or hospitals. Now they trust in medical technology. Theyll trust medicine and doctors for literally everything except fucking vaccines. They accidentally lop an arm off you can be damned sure theyll go to the hospital. Bleeding out of every hole? Hospital. Trouble breathing? Hospital. Cant get that cucumber out their ass? Hospital. Everything but damned vaccines as if the fucking measles vaccine wasnt around for decades already. The logic just isnt there", ">\n\n\"Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.\"\nThis is why it is so important that people who can be vaccinated are vaccinated. Vaccine is not just about protecting ones self, its also about protecting those who are waiting to be vaccinated or for some medical reason, cannot be vaccinated.", ">\n\n\nAll of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \n\nOf course...", ">\n\nBut consider you can't get vaccinated until you're 1 year old. Infants are vulnerable even if you follow the vaccination schedule.", ">\n\nInfants are just vulnerable in general.", ">\n\nWhich is why it is important for the village to protect them with herd immunity by getting vaccinated.", ">\n\nYup. \nIt’s part of why so many kids died 100 years ago. \nGetting certain illnesses while being an infant is really serious stuff. \nThen we discovered germ theory and vaccines…and infant mortality dropped. \nBut now we have anti-vaxx bullshitters messing everything up and undoing a century of progress.", ">\n\nI've always thought the anti-vax movement gained so much traction due to the fact that we've more or less eradicated a lot of diseases through vaccination programs, allowing a whole slew of ill-informed people to think that they're safe from diseases that just aren't prevalent anymore. This might be the \"find out\" stage of the antivax \"fuck around.\"", ">\n\nPartly that, and partly it's been bankrolled by a few extremely rich psychopaths over the years. It isn't like a naturally occurring idea, one of the big pushes behind the anti-vax movement was a company trying to discredit existing vaccines to push their own (that was the whole 'vaccines cause autism' lie). Then there's a couple of investment bankers out of New York who kicked millions in to a PR campaign against vaccines as like a hobby or something, not sure what their deal is. Maybe they wanted to play Plague Inc with real people.", ">\n\nOprah fucked us over a huge amount by giving that damned \"Vaccines cause Autism\" shit a platform.", ">\n\nLoads of people did. He was a real doctor and he had a study that not many people felt qualified to discard out of hand (although the people who were qualified and did discard didn't get anything like the same airtime).\nThe amount of damage a legitimately trained doctor can do if they decide to go full time into quackery and misinformation is scary.", ">\n\nAndrew Wakefield is a horrible person who literally tortured autistic children with unnecessary and invasive tests. \nThe bastard should have been jailed for life imo.", ">\n\nOnce it became clear what he was doing, and especially why, absolutely he should have been locked up. It's wild to me that no part of what he did is judged criminal. The dishonesty, the corruption, the abuse, the lives ruined. He is one of the worst people in the world.", ">\n\nI wholly agree. \nHe did extreme harm to those kids and continues to be a significant public health danger. \nPlus he pushed the narrative that autistic people are less-than/damaged. I take a lot of offense as an autistic person myself.", ">\n\nPediatric nurse here!!!!\nGet your kid’s vaccinations unless you want to spend your nights with me in a fucking pediatric intensive care with a tube shoved down your kid’s throat (my weekend!) it’s not fun. It’s living hell for parents (and healthcare workers).\nThese are the same parents that bitch and moan that i have to start an IV and draw labs on their sick kid when they come in crashing and can’t breathe. Yea…if you want your lil’ to live we gotta poke the shit outta him and it’s not fun. You should had him poked with the vaccines in the clinic like your Dr recommended. \nI’ve taken care of all this…..Measles, Whooping Cough, Covid, RSV. Get your kids vaccinated. Don’t be stupid. Research shows they are very effective and have been for years🤷🏼‍♀️\nIm so burnt out right now. Why is the general public so stupid? You’re all gonna lose your nurses and healthcare workers. Then what?!\nEdit to add: I sound like a psycho bizo….sorry! I do love my career and patients. I’m tired and frustrated. ✌🏻", ">\n\nNo, you actually sound like a rational person. Refreshing. Also, thanksbfor sll you do.", ">\n\nParents who don't vaccinate their children should be prosecuted for child abuse and endangerment. I am fucking tired of making exceptions for anti-science know nothings and their \"closely held beliefs\" that do nothing but needlessly spread suffering and misery.", ">\n\nI have yet to see beliefs keep someone out of the hospital. However the opposite seems to be the case most of the time.", ">\n\nOh it keeps them out of hospital alright. They usually just have a faster track to a morgue.", ">\n\nWhich is all well and good, when it is not a communicable disease that they can spread to others.", ">\n\nExcept when children are involved. Otherwise yeh, isolate and die. Cool.\nEdit: spelling and reread your comment. Agree. Non communicable.", ">\n\nSome parents tried it on their kids recently, didnt want blood from someone who’d been vaccinated. Their kids were taken away.", ">\n\nWasn't that NZ? I don't think the rest of the Western world is as tolerant of religious freedoms as the US.", ">\n\n“Religious freedoms” is such a crock of shit. It’s license to subvert science for their own delusions. Religion isn’t a fix, it’s the problem.", ">\n\nEven the Bible has sick people mask up. The people who are using their religion to avoid doing something that is in the best interest of everyone are not following that religion very well.", ">\n\nIf you want religion to be taken seriously, you need to police the people who abuse it.", ">\n\n\nColumbus Public Health first announced an investigation into the outbreak on Nov. 9 after four confirmed measles cases were linked to a child care facility in Franklin County. All of those cases were among unvaccinated children with no travel history, officials said, as Columbus Public Health Commissioner Dr. Mysheika Roberts urged parents to vaccinate their children. \nIt so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR\n\nSo basically, only partially vaccinated kids are getting sick from being exposed to completely unvaccinated kids, who are acting as little germ factories and letting the diseases gain a foothold among these groups.\nAnd yet anti vaxxers, for some reason, get very offended when we call them \"plague rats\"...", ">\n\nBuT wE dOn't knOW WhaT's iN ThE VAccINe?\nFucken troglodytes. The information is available. Just because it's stuff you're too lazy to look up doesn't mean we don't know what's in it.", ">\n\nOr there’s a thing in the vaccine that’s toxic (and this next part is very important) at high levels but is not toxic in the amounts present in the vaccine. The dose makes the poison. Even their precious essential oils can kill in high enough doses. There’s cyanide in apple skins for crying out loud.", ">\n\nWith their logic they shouldn't eat meat because undercooked meat can kill you.", ">\n\nThey also shouldn’t drink water since water toxicity is a thing!", ">\n\nThis was inevitable. The anti-vax movement was previously for a certain segment of affluent, \"Whole Foods\" types. It's now far right orthodoxy. They'll be hit WAY harder with the consequences (based on what we saw from COVID).", ">\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if it was another one of Russia’s tactics to destabilize the west.", ">\n\nKids don’t deserve it but the parents do.", ">\n\nWhy isn't unvaccination illegal yet?", ">\n\nIt's only going to get worse. Social media has been weaponized and it's only going to further degrade our society.\nRussian bots were already spreading anti-vaxx propaganda even before covid, and covid only fueled that surge even more to the point where we don't even need those bots anymore. Our own communities are spreading it among themselves.\nFewer than half of Republicans now support requiring childhood vaccinations for infectious diseases", ">\n\nSome Republicans in office want the Vaccine mandates in the Military to be dropped. ALL vaccines not just covid. You can guess which ones.. you know the ones that may be linked to Russian interest", ">\n\nIf I wanted to bring down a country from the inside out...\nMake them dumb and submissive\nMake them poor and hopeless\nMake them sick and disengaged", ">\n\nIt's always the children who suffer most", ">\n\nAnti vaccine bullshit has killed so many people. And the people responsible for peddling that crap will never face justice. It's depressing.", ">\n\nAs a pediatric RN in Ohio, this shit is getting old.", ">\n\nSadly, the victims aren't.", ">\n\nRight wing religious anti-intellectualism will drag us back hundreds of years.", ">\n\nHopefully the measles will get them first", ">\n\nAny child that contracts an illness preventable from a vaccine, should have the legal right to sue their parents at age 18.", ">\n\nParents should be charged with negligence", ">\n\nWhat an odd coincidence", ">\n\nI think it’s safe to say Former Dr. Andrew Wakefield has permanently deformed the medical industry at this point.", ">\n\nArrest the parents and take their kids away. \nWe have dealt with these diseases. This is not about their kids. This about humanity and it’s progress against deadly and preventable contagion.", ">\n\nFuckin Ohio, man - not surprised.", ">\n\nThe usual suspect", ">\n\nHonestly this type of behavior is going to continue until people really see what kind of damage being non vaccinated can do. \nThis is 82 kids. Stats show 1 in 5 (!!) unvaccinated people will end up in the hospital if they get measles. 1 in 20 kids will get pneumonia. \nAnd as it spreads … 1 in 1000 will get encephalitis and will likely end up deaf or have other brain damage. 1 to 3 out of every thousand will die. \nAnd there other side effects and issues as well. Future male fertility issues, problems for unvaccinated pregnant women who get the disease and on and on. It’s not chicken pox.", ">\n\nWe were well on a path towards eradicating measles completely.\nThen, Andrew Wakefield.", ">\n\nI will never not recommend this video by hbomberguy on disgraced ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last 40 years. However bad you think he is, he's worse.", ">\n\nThis is really sad. I genuinely hope this wakes parents up to the benefits of vaccines so we can avoid these in the future.", ">\n\nDoubtful. These people intentionally did this. And others will follow suit.", ">\n\nAnti-vax, anti-science and anti-intellectualism will be the death of the Republican party. Literally.", ">\n\nWhat? Consequences of actions? No way!", ">\n\n“We tried nothing and this keeps happening to us.” I’m exhausted hearing these people complain about their misfortune when they caused it to themselves. The poor children being abused so the parents can feel superior, or whatever, is horrible.", ">\n\nFucking parents should be jailed, how reckless. Keep doing your own research idiots.", ">\n\nWell, you did it MAGA folks! Another return to 1950's America. Congratulations.", ">\n\nIt's weird how the people most in love with the fifties hate all the parts that allowed for a strong middle class, like unions and higher taxes on wealth. If a higher standard of living isn't the part of the fifties they're trying to recreate, which part of pre-Civil Rights America is it they're so in love with I wonder?", ">\n\nWell they're probably duped into thinking the standard of living was tied to all those restrictive social policies", ">\n\nThat’s exactly it. My dad will die on the hill that jobs don’t pay as much anymore because women started working instead of being stay at home wives. But Y’know, he’s totally not misogynistic and loves that women get to work, you just have to accept that it’s to the total detriment of society and that we’d all be better off if they just stayed in the kitchen.", ">\n\nIf we're to ignore sexism for a moment, from a purely economic standpoint, increasing the supply of something will reduce its value. Women working increases the supply of labor which will reduce the value (pay) of said labor. So if you look strictly at that piece of the equation you could make that argument and it might have even been true for a short time.\nHowever...\nHe's missing a big chunk where at this point (and for at least a couple decades now) labor productivity per person has increased and demand for labor has caught up. At this very moment we're even in a high labor demand situation. So even if there was a minor point to that initially it doesn't answer the wage issues we have now. Not to mention the many other factors it ignores, such as fully adding the second half of the population to the consumer pool regardless of marital status, thus increasing demand for products, thus increasing demand for jobs, etc.\nSo even if you want to accept sexism it's still not the economic answer to wage stagnation.", ">\n\nA lot of yall are missing the fact that this article says \"partially unvaccinated\" which would make sense if the infected was a toddler who hasn't reached the age to be safely fully vaccinated, which in the article (if you actually read it) says 4-6 years old. These aren't all parents neglecting their children and anti-vaxxers. It's rare but it happens. I'd hate to be one of those parents and be included in this as if they did anything wrong considering their child's health.", ">\n\nI got into an argument with a mom on the what to expect app who believed the side effect of atopic dermatitis was worse than the disease the vaccines protect against.\nSo I literally asked “are you saying you think having eczema is worse than getting polio”. And they said yes…\nThis whole debate is pointless. You can’t fight stupid. 🤯", ">\n\nWhat an idiot. My parents lived in mortal fear of polio in the 50s. When the vaccine was approved, it was free in the schools and the lines were around the block.\nHow quickly people forget.", ">\n\nNot my comment but\n\nSo, you don't vaccinate your kids. That MMR is scary sounding after all. Your toddler gets measles. It all goes fine. Score one for the immune system. It's not overly pleasant, but they spend a week in bed with you nursing them and they seem fine. You almost forget about it by the time they start school. Such a bright child. Gets on well with other kids, enjoys reading time. They're very articulate for their age, all that crunchy shit paid off well.\nThey're going into their third year. Year Two, second grade, P3, whatever you call it. They've had the odd temperature over the summer and been a bit down in the dumps. Not behaving very well. Kids will be kids. They're forgetting things, but their dad can never remember where he left his car keys either. Must run in the family.\nIt's coming up to Christmas and they're having trouble seeing the Christmas lights on houses. Can't tell a reindeer from a polar bear. You think you've noticed them making some odd movements. Best take them to a doctor, you might not like vaccines but you're not an idiot. \nThe GP is pretty switched on. You tell them about the memory loss and the funny movements on top of the sight thing. Say you're taking them to the optician but you know, better safe than sorry. They just aren't the same as they were six months ago. The doctor sends you to a local hospital for an MRI. Then they start talking about an EEG and have they had measles if they haven't had their MMR? It's not a strong memory now, but yes they did. They didn't have that bad a time of it and it was years ago.\nYour child will be dead in a year. There is nothing anybody can do to help them. This started years ago with the tiny measles virus that was in them, see they got a mutated version. Vaccination prevents this, but in unvaccinated children it's a rare but real risk. They might last three years from this point, if they're lucky/unlucky. Your seven year old will develop dementia worse than your granny ever had. They'll jerk, writhe, go blind. Sometimes they'll die at this point, maybe during a seizure. If they don't, they'll gradually become paralysed and lose consciousness ending up in a persistent vegetative state. \nEventually the system that makes your body tick along will fail. They'll just... stop. You think rabies is scary? This is like rabies but you're opting your child into the roulette.\nThat's SSPE. It's rare. It's 100% preventable. But the numbers are shaky and there's suggestion that it could get as many as 1 in 600 unvaccinated young children with measles. Or 1 in 5000 in the general population who catch it. It's extremely rare in countries that had essentially eradicated measles but so was measles and we've all seen how that can go.\nVaccinate your kids, fuckers.", ">\n\nAs someone who believe in science and just happens to live in Ohio (with young children). I hate it here. \nPs- local pediatricians are recommending to get the second dose of MMR sooner (as long as it is 28 days after the first) My 17th month old just got hers yesterday.", ">\n\nMy brother and his wife didn’t get their kids the MMR vaccine, and I recently found out that they went to the family Christmas party knowing that half the house had the flu.\nMy father is convinced that you can’t be infectious if your symptoms appear mild. I’ll never understand what happened to these people I used to know so well.", ">\n\nThank you, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey!", ">\n\nAs a nurse, this whole attack on vaccine efficacy freaks me out. We barely skirted disaster, and instead of embracing vaccines we've normalized being adverse to modern medicine. \nSome American families have the same immunity as the poorest of nations, not going to have good outcome.", ">\n\nI bet the Venn diagram of those anti-vaxx parents and people who cheer on arresting abortion providers for killing babies is a perfect circle.", ">\n\nI really pin the blame for this on Lancet and it's publication of the fraudulent study linking MMR vaccine to autism published in 1998. It took 12 years for the study to be retracted!\nFrom the WHO website on the history of measles vaccine: \"A minor setback for the success of the measles vaccination programme occurred in 1998, when a fraudulent research paper was published in ‘The Lancet’, asserting a link between the MMR vaccine and autism without any robust scientific evidence. \nThe influence of this paper, along with systemic misinformation by anti-vaccination groups in high-income countries, resulted in a drop in vaccination rates, below the level required for community protection, which caused a resurgence in measles cases in England and Wales, as well as parts of the USA and Canada.\nIn 2010 the British General Medical Council ruled that the study’s lead author engaged in misconduct. The paper was formally retracted by ‘The Lancet’, and its author was banned from practising medicine.\"", ">\n\nOwn the libs by killing your kids!", ">\n\nOhio...?\nIsn't this the same state that demanded a 10 year old incest victim remain pregnant until term?\nCool state. Is it one of putin's?", ">\n\nMedieval shit coming because antivax jackasses....", ">\n\nIf you don't want your kid to get the measles. Get the vaccine.", ">\n\nThe heartbreaking part is that babies don't get their first shot until a year old, and aren't fully covered until 5ish years old. These outbreaks hurt and kill babies of parents who are provax.", ">\n\nSo you’re saying half of them ARE vaccinated? Looks like vaccines don’t work! I AM VERY SMART. AKA A FREE THINKER! /S", ">\n\nNo, half were unvax'd infants and toddlers. The rest were unvax'd or partially vax'd older kids.\n“It so far appears that all of the children impacted by the outbreak are at least partially unvaccinated, meaning they have only received one dose of the necessary two for the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, known as MMR, although four children still have an unknown vaccination status. Children are recommended to get their first dose between 12 and 15 months of age and the second between the age of 4 and 6. ”", ">\n\nJackass plague rats pumping out more plague rats. There are too many stars on our fucking flag.", ">\n\nAnd sadly.. It's because of so many unvaccinated kids that these diseases can propagate and spread.\nOf course you can't convince the antivaxx crowd that having more people in the population at higher risk of a untrained immune response, allowing the disease to have more time to infect and spread is the whole fucking point of vaccinations... Suppressing the capacity for it to spread because the majority have a better immune response from vaccines training your body's natural immunity to fight it faster and more agressivly... \nOh no.. They read about it on the internet and trust other idiots instead of medical professionals who've spend their carriers studying diseases.", ">\n\nfolks who haven’t passed a science class since high school can fuck right off with their “own research”", ">\n\nLooks like the no-vax people will find it via their kids why modern societies vaccinate.", ">\n\nIf those unvaccinated kids parents could read, they would be very offended by this.", ">\n\nToo bad these kids don't have parents that love them enough to vaccinate them against preventable diseases. I'm endlessly thankful my mom loved me enough to get me fully vaxxed as a baby/kid.", ">\n\nMy husbands Urgent Care just shut down bc a mother brought her child in with measles….obviously unvaccinated.", ">\n\nWait…you mean to tell me that consistent, timely vaccination had essentially eliminated a dangerous illness…and that it resurged when people decided they knew better than science? Get out of town. 🤦🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nI feel sorry for the kids, not for their parents.", ">\n\nSo if an antivaxxer gets sick, do they go to the Dr? They don't believe in science, so do they just eat herbs and wish for the best or what", ">\n\nCPS should be involved any time a child ends up with something like measles. Denial of proper medical care, which includes vaccines, is a form of child abuse.", ">\n\nThank you Andrew Wakefield for sowing distrust in vaccines up for money. Please burn in hell." ]