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[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing", ">\n\nIs it because it can't be controlled like FB or Twitter?" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing", ">\n\nIs it because it can't be controlled like FB or Twitter?", ">\n\nGood. Get rid of that shit show of an app." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing", ">\n\nIs it because it can't be controlled like FB or Twitter?", ">\n\nGood. Get rid of that shit show of an app.", ">\n\nGood, TikTok is trash." ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing", ">\n\nIs it because it can't be controlled like FB or Twitter?", ">\n\nGood. Get rid of that shit show of an app.", ">\n\nGood, TikTok is trash.", ">\n\nThis should be in UpLiftingNews" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing", ">\n\nIs it because it can't be controlled like FB or Twitter?", ">\n\nGood. Get rid of that shit show of an app.", ">\n\nGood, TikTok is trash.", ">\n\nThis should be in UpLiftingNews", ">\n\n\"MAH FREEDUMBS!\"\n- Future UT School Shooter, probably" ]

[ "I thought the whole state of Utah banned it for a second...", ">\n\nGive it about 2 months.", ">\n\n\"What is wired?\"\n- my 19-year-old co-worker", ">\n\nIt was magazine. I mean, a mini-book with pictures. A monthly blog printed on paper, if you will... A blog is a tiktok with words. No not the narrator.", ">\n\nNo, more like: Greg Abbott allows Chinese firms to buy up vast swaths of Texan farmland, oilfields and water aquifers and then blames it on \"the Biden Administration\"", ">\n\nNot true, China owns less than 1 % of foreign countries invested farmland in the US. Doubt that 1% is all in Texas.\nEdit: Corrected to 1% instead of 0.25%\nEdit 2: USDA reported that foreign individuals and entities held an interest in 37.6 million acres of U.S. agricultural land at the end of 2020, representing 2.9% of all privately held agricultural land and 1.7% of all land in the U.S. Canadian investors own the largest share of foreign-held land in the U.S., 12.4 million acres, making up 32% of all foreign investments, followed by the Netherlands with 13%, Italy with 7% and the U.K with 6%. Chinese investors hold 352,140 acres of American land, representing slightly less than 1% of total foreign ownership.", ">\n\nI wonder what a dot of .24% of the United States would look like.", ">\n\nIf I did my math correctly; it would be roughly the size of New Hampshire. \nThe US has a total land area of 3.797 million sq miles. \n.24% of 3,797,000 is 9112.8 sq miles\nNew Hampshire is 9,349 sq miles", ">\n\nWhen you have an operating nuclear reactor and the data associated with it and research done with it on your network, I can see why you wouldn't want China using backdoors via tiktok into your network. \nEdit: The number of shadow banned responses I'm getting is truly hilarious.", ">\n\nThere's almost no way that there's data associated with the nuclear reactor going over the main camous UT network lol", ">\n\nTrue, but how much would you trust the compartmentalization of their individual networks?", ">\n\nPretty well, considering the risk, and I'm sure they already ban the majority of social media/etc from being used inside.", ">\n\nUnless they keep their research on local-only networks that have zero connection to the internet, I wouldn't trust access to any of the networks in the system. There are too many ways for interconnection from network to network. \nEdit: I wouldn't trust allowing a known Chinese government spying software access to any network in the system*", ">\n\nNot sure what UT does, but that's exactly what the Navy does.", ">\n\nI trust the Navy slightly more than I trust any state run entity in Texas", ">\n\nI only trust the Navy to have never hooked them up to the internet at all.\nI picture them using IBM punch cards.", ">\n\nAdmiral Adama has entered the chat.", ">\n\nso say we all!", ">\n\nIt’s wild how many people don’t care about their data and privacy. I’ve told my sister in law numerous times about this and she, a 20 something year old, doesn’t care or understand.\nAnyways, I have no problem with government / corporate issued devices or networks not allowing KNOWN unsafe and insecure apps, websites, etc. the general public really needs a serious lesson in cyber security.", ">\n\nIf you're in an important secure job or having things like financial information get out, yeah but a person posting \"Hey guys, having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese for my six year old kid Devin\" is not going to seriously harm the majority of people, what do you think malicious actors in the Chinese government or Facebook could realistically do with that? Nobody in China is looking at a trending TikTok dance by a stay at home soccer mom married to a vending machine executive and thinking \"Yes, this will help us plan our attack on American infrastructure if war were to break out\", they'd be looking for people with actual real connections to important shit.", ">\n\nIt’s always surprising how dumb smart people can be. The guy having a birthday party for his kid ends up being the top security guy who uses his kids birthday as a password.", ">\n\nSure but the large majority of the population are not top security guys.", ">\n\nYeah, but the more widespread the app is, the more likely you are to pick up something like that.", ">\n\nMaybe but that's only an argument for top security personnel to need to be more careful, the suburban soccer mom still doesn't really need to worry about their TikTok dance.", ">\n\nAlso I I’d almost rather a foreign country has this info than a U.S. country who can use this data against you more easily.", ">\n\nDon’t people just use their phone’s 5G data?", ">\n\nYou can. This is just for UT devices or devices on UT networks.", ">\n\nThe latter includes most students using campus wifi in their dorms though", ">\n\nBanning something has never in the history of the world made people want it more", ">\n\nYou can tell the age & whether or not they use tiktok by some of these comments.", ">\n\nI would love to block it on my home router but they made their links super long and super sparse to make it hard to block.", ">\n\nSo patriots are fine the the NSA spying on them, and the entire planet. But worried China might see their selfies.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure it's more about making sure foreign governments don't have spyware on their network", ">\n\nThe GOP wants to sell that data to China, they don't want them to get it for free.", ">\n\nHonestly if we just banned all social media from phones and only allow them on desktop...may fix a lot of issues around society. After taking all of them off my phone and now forgetting my phone even exists half the time, I've realized it's the thumb throw \"casino slot machine\" feeling that is the addictive part...just one last hit. On desktop it doesn't do shit for me, I just check it once or twice a day and walk away, nothing addictive at all about it.", ">\n\nI recently started wearing normal \"dumb\" watches. It's surprising how much less you use the phone when you aren't using it to check the time. It keeps you from doing the whole \"check time > see notifications > check notifications > spend a half hour or more on social media\" thing that can happen multiple times a day.", ">\n\nnotifications are a mental parasite for these applications.\nI am quite happy to have turned off nearly all of them. The only things that get the permission of a notification are things that actively require an immediate response.", ">\n\nPardon my ignorance, but what is Tik Tok actually doing? How is it a threat to a network? Doesn't a phone's security stop it from accessing other nodes on the local network?", ">\n\nYou’d think. And frankly, my hope is that this wave of scrutiny for TikTok catches up with the rest of the tech industry. Commodification and collection of user data, including data of people who themselves are unwitting to their data being collected and furnished by proxy (i.e. your friend makes an agreement that allows your number to be documented off of their contacts list), should be illegal. \nThe lack of regulation for the billion $ data brokerage market is baffling and a gross violation of our collective basic right to privacy.", ">\n\nIt’s not even close! Here’s a summary from a white paper regarding the massive security risk that is TikTok:\n“At Penetrum, we strive to provide the most detailed, transparent, and accurate security analysis and audits that are within our ability. We also strive to develop the most ambitious, yet practical cybersecurity tools and use them in the field. After extensive research, we have found that not only is TikTok a massive security flaw waiting to happen, but the ties that they have to Chinese parties and Chinese ISP’s make it a very vulnerable source of data that still has more to be investigated. Data harvesting, tracking, fingerprinting, and user information occurs throughout the entire application. As a US company, we feel that it is our responsibility to raise awareness of this extensive data harvesting to TikTok’s 1 billion users.”", ">\n\nIs this more than what FB does, or are they not a security risk because they are subject to our laws? Also, we welcomed almost the entire browsing world to this shit (Chrome variant users) with manifest v3 as of New Years, so Im sure China and every other nation that spies, and all the data miners and fingerprinters are going to just love that.", ">\n\nApple and Google shouldn't host the CCP app, TikTok.", ">\n\nGood. TikTok needs to be just outright blocked in the US.", ">\n\nTiktok should be banned in the US. Not for the content that gets uploaded for views, but for the fact it's a confirmed literal Spyware.\nFederal employees, contractors, and DoD already aren't allowed to have it", ">\n\n\nShe says she's not concerned about potential privacy risks from the TikTok app.\n\nExactly why they are taking the steps to block it. People that use TikTok aren't smart enough to comprehend the risks the spyware poses.", ">\n\nPlease explain the risks. And what is the spyware?", ">\n\nWelcome to the era of pre-banning the ability to share thoughts and experiences. Is any other part of the internet so heavily scrutinized?\nETA: so so sorry that I'm not brainwashed into the reddit \"everything China=Bad 😡😡😡😡\" hivemind.", ">\n\nTikTok is a massive breach of privacy. Would you mind the NSA spying on your habits?", ">\n\nthey already do?", ">\n\nYeah, and nobody likes it. So why is it ok for China to do it so you can just endlessly scroll through a bunch of dumb short videos all day.", ">\n\nSo why isn't anyone doing anything about the US spying?", ">\n\nBecause US politicians don't care or understand what the technology is. It's easy for them to point at TikTok being a national defense issue (it is) because it's connected to the China, but they'll use that same national defense argument to justify NSA spying. And most Americans with voting power are either don't know their privacy is at risk, are tech illiterate, or just don't care about constantly giving out their data and say \"well I've got nothing to hide\" like it's a sign of honor.", ">\n\ntiktok is sooo dry anyways these days. All the kiddies are on BeReal while tiktok is filled with spam & self-promotion content.", ">\n\nI thought tiktok sold parts of the company to the US to operate here? China does not even have access to the US data, that was the whole point.", ">\n\n\nWhy all the hate for tik tok? \n\nI'll take this one at a time. \n\nEvery app does the same thing, \n\nYou ain't necessarily wrong in that case, but TikTok has turned it into an art form.\n\nbecause it’s China it’s bad I guess? \n\nForeign and hostile government spying on US citizens and logging all of their data is bad.\n\nSounds like xenophobia. \n\nNah, not really. It's because they're not a friendly country. \n\nFacebook and Amazon sell info to the government all the time.\n\nTo the US government. Biggest of big differences. If Facebook and Amazon were nakedly selling data to the Chinese government? That's a different story. \nAnd also...\nwhy not do that too? Let's just have this be a starting point to regulate this shit.", ">\n\nWhat’s the danger of China having my data versus the US government though? China has no jurisdiction over me and can’t really harm me unless I decide to go visit or live there. The US government can put me in prison. I’m not advocating for China to have my data but I fail to see how it’s so much worse than a three letter agency or law enforcement having access to it.", ">\n\nThere is other types of data that an app running on your phone can potentially gather.\nBesides objects in your surroundings (like say the nuclear reactor at UT) there is also information about the network you are on and potentially the devices connected to it. There is also a lot of meta-data that can be pulled. Its almost less about you and more of using you as an unwilling spy via compromised cell phone.", ">\n\nI think Auburn did this. The responses have been amusing", ">\n\nIs it because it can't be controlled like FB or Twitter?", ">\n\nGood. Get rid of that shit show of an app.", ">\n\nGood, TikTok is trash.", ">\n\nThis should be in UpLiftingNews", ">\n\n\"MAH FREEDUMBS!\"\n- Future UT School Shooter, probably", ">\n\nDo you usually dream about school shootings?" ]

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[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families..." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well..." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol..." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so..." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip.", ">\n\nThe cost for a death row inmate are twice as high. I think spending your life in jail really isn't great" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip.", ">\n\nThe cost for a death row inmate are twice as high. I think spending your life in jail really isn't great", ">\n\nThis is a good thing to see in a civilised (and financially responsible) society, it's just soured by all the people that they'll go on to seek death for afterwards." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip.", ">\n\nThe cost for a death row inmate are twice as high. I think spending your life in jail really isn't great", ">\n\nThis is a good thing to see in a civilised (and financially responsible) society, it's just soured by all the people that they'll go on to seek death for afterwards.", ">\n\nThis waste of space had better get the death penalty. There is a spot right in hell waiting just for this fucker." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip.", ">\n\nThe cost for a death row inmate are twice as high. I think spending your life in jail really isn't great", ">\n\nThis is a good thing to see in a civilised (and financially responsible) society, it's just soured by all the people that they'll go on to seek death for afterwards.", ">\n\nThis waste of space had better get the death penalty. There is a spot right in hell waiting just for this fucker.", ">\n\nI'm surprised the DOJ is even prosecuting the case. I'm not convinced they do anything after the last few years. Merrick Garland could have been asleep since the day after his appointment, and exactly as many cases would have been closed. There are no rules anymore unless you're poor" ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip.", ">\n\nThe cost for a death row inmate are twice as high. I think spending your life in jail really isn't great", ">\n\nThis is a good thing to see in a civilised (and financially responsible) society, it's just soured by all the people that they'll go on to seek death for afterwards.", ">\n\nThis waste of space had better get the death penalty. There is a spot right in hell waiting just for this fucker.", ">\n\nI'm surprised the DOJ is even prosecuting the case. I'm not convinced they do anything after the last few years. Merrick Garland could have been asleep since the day after his appointment, and exactly as many cases would have been closed. There are no rules anymore unless you're poor", ">\n\nHope this rotten sack of shit gets the Dahmer treatment in prison." ]

[ "But he can still be tried by state of Texas which has death penalty.", ">\n\nHe is gonna be tried by Texas. And they will give him the death penalty. If they don't put him down, oh well, the other inmates will. Even if he's protected by the Aryan Brotherhood, they'll get him sooner or later.", ">\n\nThe current hubbub in El Paso is over the DA screwing up the prosecution of the shooter. I believe she was even forced to resign after all the backlash. El Pasoans want his head, and the local DA wasnt competent enough.", ">\n\nI'm not a lawyer and somehow I think I could try this case competently. \nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?", ">\n\n\nHow do you manage to fuck up something as simple as breathing and walking at the same time like this?\n\nYou think trying a capital murder case is as easy as walking and breathing? That's pretty ignorant.", ">\n\nOn video...with multiple victims...caught with the murder weapon. \nDamn, real head scratcher as to how to convince a jury this person killed anyone.", ">\n\nIt’s getting that evidence in front of jury that’s mainly important at that point. Sure it sounds outrageous but it is possible to fuck that up, via a multitude of ways requiring severe incompetence but absolutely possible.", ">\n\nHoly crap I hate that it's so fucking common here I don't even remember this happening.", ">\n\nIt's the one where the gunman orphaned a baby and Trump showed up for a thumbs up photo op with the baby.", ">\n\nWhat in the actual fuck is this?! This can’t be real…", ">\n\nGood. Let the fucker rot for the rest of his life. Always looking over your shoulder. No privacy. Shitty food.", ">\n\nI’m on the fence. This POS cannot be rehabilitated. Death row costs a shit ton of money. He’s a fucking POS. If anyone is deserving of the death penalty…", ">\n\nOn the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty given how many death row inmates are exonerated by organizations like the Innocence Project…", ">\n\nAlso, giving the government the power to off you is fucking crazy.", ">\n\nYup. Legally I don't think the state should have the right to decide who lives or dies. Morally I don't care what happens to this white nationalist filth.", ">\n\nConsidering that mass shooters are just homicidal suicides, that's probably the correct choice.", ">\n\nThey.... actually are? In some cases they definitely see other mass shootings and some definitely get thrills out of seeing the attention that they will get.\nThat awful FedEx shooting is one. Had been looking up multiple mass shootings, was found out, but nothing got done.", ">\n\nThis is the right decision. The death penalty should be abolished. Ignoring the whole moral argument around state sponsored killings of guilty people, we know for a fact that innocent people are killed by the death penalty. The death penalty doesn't prevent crime and it doesn't reverse crimes or suffering that already occured. All it does is ensure innocent people will be executed while awful people continue to do awful things undeterred.\nI know it doesn't feel good but it's the right thing to do.", ">\n\nthis guy is not innocent so your point is moot", ">\n\nNo its still valid... we shouldn't have a death penalty, its not effective", ">\n\nthen why do countries like Singapore have crime rate of 0.21 per 1000 compared to USA 6+ per thousand?", ">\n\nIncredibly invasive CCTV, strong civic duty without a cultural boner for violence, individualism and celebrity criminals, very hands on families...", ">\n\nand harsh penalty for crime", ">\n\nThen all the states where it exists would support you instead of a minority of examples that have hugely conflating factors.\nMost people who go down for crime would be going down if it was a fine or an execution because they're desperate or because they're entitled idiots who can't reflect on how their actions will come back on them.", ">\n\nisn't it obvious that the stronger the punishment the less the crime?\nfor example, if there was NO punishment, then there would be much more crime.", ">\n\nYou're completely wrong here. There's a ton of information online that shows how the death penalty in America does nothing to deter crime in states that support the death penalty. It's a cultural thing, not a cause/effect issue. Correlation does not equal causation.", ">\n\nFates worse than death.", ">\n\nTbh life in prison is probably worse especially for a skinny twink like him", ">\n\nHave fun in your cold cell you rat fuck, no easy way out this time. Suffer", ">\n\nGood. There shouldn't be a death penalty.", ">\n\nFor someone that confessed to killing 23 innocent people just because of their race?\nI agree most of the time if there's a sliver of doubt, the death penalty should be off the table. But if it's tens of people dead and they catch him red handed AND he confessed? Well...", ">\n\nYou're either against capital punishment or you're not. There's no \"well, in this case...\" exception", ">\n\n*...against capital punishment or you're not...\"\nWhy does it have to be either/or? \nWho made the rules?\nIf there's ANY doubt = NO, \nIf there's NO doubt = yes. \nWhat good to society is a rabid murderer? Keep him locked up in a cage like an animal? Or dispose the animal and be done with it?", ">\n\nThe problem is, no doubt can and has turned into some doubt years down the line. At least 190 people on death row in the last half century have been exonerated. Source", ">\n\nI know about the innocent people killed.\nWhat I'm saying: NO doubt: \nMultiple eye witnesses, \nCaught in the act by multiple people, \nMurder weapon in hand, covered in victims blood, \nCaught on clear, crisp video.\nNO doubt. None.\nIf there's a sliver of doubt: NO. \nLock him up for life or whatever is reasonable.", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you but eye witnesses are unreliable. Emergencies happen fast and no one knows how they'll react until they're in one.\nExample: a couple months ago I fell down the stairs and landed flat on my back at the bottom but even I myself can't be certain if I rolled once or twice on my down.\nThe world isn't black and white and the risk of innocents being executed should be enough to abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nOk, so you're saying he didn't do it?", ">\n\nYou are either arguing in flagrant bad faith or have literally zero intellectual capacity to understand basic rhetoric.", ">\n\nBut we're talking about this guy, right? Who's the article about? You might be talking about \"basic rhetoric\", but the article and the conversation, my conversation, is about this one guy in the article. Right?", ">\n\nPhantom Zone it is! Guilty!", ">\n\nThese dudes always look the same.", ">\n\nSpending his entire life in a cage with no hope of release is not a bad idea.", ">\n\nThat's good, capital punishment is barbaric, it doesn't deter anyone, and costs more due to the lengthy automatic appeals process than LWOP costs.", ">\n\nit does deter people. this is common sense and supported by evidence.\nif you could kill someone and:\n- get no punishment\n- get mild punishment\n- get severe punishment\n​\nobviously the harsher the punishment, the less people will commit the crime.", ">\n\nAt a certain level of punishment it doesn’t make any difference, the really frothing murderers don’t care about 20 years or 50 or death.", ">\n\nI hope there's a civil suit to make sure he doesn't see a penny from any fundraising and donations. \nSad that everyone knows he'd have donations from racists among us.", ">\n\nHe did this and for what? He accomplished nothing. He furthered none of his goals. Whatever his aims were, this did not further them. And people are dead. Others are wounded. Many more are scarred. And himself, he will never know another day of freedom. What a stupid price to pay for anger.\nEdit. No. Hate. A price to pay for hate.", ">\n\nOn top of what you said, he stated he did it because of the \"latino invasion of Texas\". I wonder how he's going to feel when he learns the white man stole Texas and the surrounding states from Mexico. He'll probably be sitting in jail when he learns this.\nSMH sheesh!", ">\n\nPut him in General Population. Never segregated, he needs to...ah.....learn to get along with others.. \nYeah... that's what he needs. An education.", ">\n\nDeath penalty for and against debate will never end.\nAn alternative to death penalty to mass murderer caught red handed. Life time imprisonment and enhanced punishment of not allowed to intermingle with other prisoners, locked in solitary 23 hours a day, one hour to exercise alone, no TV, no amenity except essentials. Basically same treatment given to the worse offenders locked up at Super Max State Prison.\nIt can become quite a pain if you lose social contact and that is the point. It is meant as punishment.", ">\n\nThat would never stand up because it would be considered cruel or unusual punishment.", ">\n\nCruel and unusual punishment? Say that to the surviving members of victims since you don't seem to care about them.", ">\n\nI care about them, it's still a cruel and unusual punishment lol...", ">\n\nHe's the wrong skin color to get the death penalty, isn't he?\nfor the record, I'm opposed to it in all cases; just trying to call out the possible hypocrisy.", ">\n\nThis is the federal government, he still has to contend with the state. And the state is Texas, so...", ">\n\nEven if there are some merits to the death penalty, I say this country has forfeited any kind of moral standing there because the death penalty has been used disproportionately against minorities. We’ve screwed it up enough.", ">\n\nThe death penalty is bad because the country has used it to disproportionately kill minorities. That is why now that we have this white guy that is charged with specifically targeting and killing minorities we shouldn't give him the death penalty.", ">\n\nIt's cheaper to just let another prisoner kill him.", ">\n\nGot a backhoe and a 9mm cartridge? We can save a WHOLE lot of money real quick", ">\n\nTax payers will now have to pay to feed him, provide shelter, medical expenses......", ">\n\nWhich is still MUCH less than the cost of the appeals process for someone sentenced to the death penalty.", ">\n\nI can only think of one reason why not. \"General Pop Justice\" for life is worse.", ">\n\nThat's bs. Put him on death row. 20 years of waiting to die drives anyone insane then put him in the dirt", ">\n\nGood. Abolish the death penalty.", ">\n\nI wonder what the victims families want. That's important.", ">\n\nTexas kills (with capital punishment) more perps than any other U.S. State. DOJ will pass that chip.", ">\n\nThe cost for a death row inmate are twice as high. I think spending your life in jail really isn't great", ">\n\nThis is a good thing to see in a civilised (and financially responsible) society, it's just soured by all the people that they'll go on to seek death for afterwards.", ">\n\nThis waste of space had better get the death penalty. There is a spot right in hell waiting just for this fucker.", ">\n\nI'm surprised the DOJ is even prosecuting the case. I'm not convinced they do anything after the last few years. Merrick Garland could have been asleep since the day after his appointment, and exactly as many cases would have been closed. There are no rules anymore unless you're poor", ">\n\nHope this rotten sack of shit gets the Dahmer treatment in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he gets the death penalty on day, and I realllllly hope that it doesn't get botched and dies a painful death, that would suck." ]