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[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead", ">\n\nYeah I bet these two rival gangs that had a gun fight at a MLK celebration were radicalized by the NRA. Lol." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead", ">\n\nYeah I bet these two rival gangs that had a gun fight at a MLK celebration were radicalized by the NRA. Lol.", ">\n\nNot what you asked, but whatever" ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead", ">\n\nYeah I bet these two rival gangs that had a gun fight at a MLK celebration were radicalized by the NRA. Lol.", ">\n\nNot what you asked, but whatever", ">\n\nNo you didn’t answer the question I asked. The question was how many mass shootings were done by NRA members. That answer is zero.\nInstead you give some weird answer about how they tend to just radicalize other idiots to instead. Who is the “they” that is radicalizing other idiots? And why aren’t those idiots NRA members who have completely and literally bought into what the NRA says? \nYou would think if the NRA was radicalizing people it would certainly be their members and we would be able to give an example of them committing mass shootings. \nI don’t even like the NRA but I do find it funny that people are pointing to them as the bogeyman during a mass shooting caused by black gang violence." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead", ">\n\nYeah I bet these two rival gangs that had a gun fight at a MLK celebration were radicalized by the NRA. Lol.", ">\n\nNot what you asked, but whatever", ">\n\nNo you didn’t answer the question I asked. The question was how many mass shootings were done by NRA members. That answer is zero.\nInstead you give some weird answer about how they tend to just radicalize other idiots to instead. Who is the “they” that is radicalizing other idiots? And why aren’t those idiots NRA members who have completely and literally bought into what the NRA says? \nYou would think if the NRA was radicalizing people it would certainly be their members and we would be able to give an example of them committing mass shootings. \nI don’t even like the NRA but I do find it funny that people are pointing to them as the bogeyman during a mass shooting caused by black gang violence.", ">\n\nYou said \"something tells you\" they weren't NRA members, and while you answered me honestly that you think it's because they were black, you didn't answer this person honestly. You responded with a question.\nHow many mass shootings have been done by someone who definitely wasn't an NRA member? I don't recall it ever being mentioned one way or the other.\nIt's the main gun rights lobby, which affects lots of people who aren't members, so it doesn't matter. However, this source indicates that a decent percentage of members are black." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead", ">\n\nYeah I bet these two rival gangs that had a gun fight at a MLK celebration were radicalized by the NRA. Lol.", ">\n\nNot what you asked, but whatever", ">\n\nNo you didn’t answer the question I asked. The question was how many mass shootings were done by NRA members. That answer is zero.\nInstead you give some weird answer about how they tend to just radicalize other idiots to instead. Who is the “they” that is radicalizing other idiots? And why aren’t those idiots NRA members who have completely and literally bought into what the NRA says? \nYou would think if the NRA was radicalizing people it would certainly be their members and we would be able to give an example of them committing mass shootings. \nI don’t even like the NRA but I do find it funny that people are pointing to them as the bogeyman during a mass shooting caused by black gang violence.", ">\n\nYou said \"something tells you\" they weren't NRA members, and while you answered me honestly that you think it's because they were black, you didn't answer this person honestly. You responded with a question.\nHow many mass shootings have been done by someone who definitely wasn't an NRA member? I don't recall it ever being mentioned one way or the other.\nIt's the main gun rights lobby, which affects lots of people who aren't members, so it doesn't matter. However, this source indicates that a decent percentage of members are black.", ">\n\nI never made the statement that “something tells me” they weren’t NRA members. \nI don’t remember replying to any of your messages either so I’m not sure what you mean by saying that I answered you honestly. \nI do seriously doubt they were NRA members." ]

[ "It absolutely blows my mind how often people will draw guns during a disagreement without any thought or fear about being locked away in prison and ruining the rest of their lives.", ">\n\nThis is a known problem with humans. Relying on \"fear of consequences\" often fails as a prevention strategy. If one truly wants to stop a certain kind of act, we need different approaches.", ">\n\nI always remember the part in The Green Mile where John Coffey sees Wild Bill Wharton's memory of killing the two girls and says \"he used their love of each other against them\" or something to that effect. \nI wonder if the rates of spontaneous murders would decrease if the law punished the murderers parents or children instead of themselves. \nNot proposing this as a real world solution. Just interested how convicted killers would respond to this. Those who lashed out in the heat of the moments.", ">\n\nToo many sociopaths and or psychopaths who wouldn't give two shits. Why should more innocent people suffer because someone else lacks empathy?? Maybe we should start jailing politicians and those who funnel money to politicians who male big profits from selling guns like the NRA and gun manufacturers. That males more sense than torturing more innocent people", ">\n\nFirst, I'm not saying this is a sensible solution. It's just a question. \nSecond, I'm not talking about sociopaths and psychopaths or anyone with mental illness. I'm referring to the normal, everyday person who, for whatever reason, gets so irate over something that they need to flex their muscles, lose control and pull out a gun as if it is totally reasonable response. \nI'm thinking of the guy who shot his neighbours because the party music was too loud and felt belittled when they didn't turn it down, so shot his neighbour dead. \nWould someone like him behave differently if he knew it was someone he loved, rather than his drunk ass self that paid the price for his actions? I'm sure there's a \"I don't give a fuck\" thought that goes through people's minds when these random acts of violence occur. \nDefinitely agree with you on the NRA. How they are not considered a terrorist organisation in the US is beyond me.", ">\n\nNo way to be able to distinguish a sociopath or psychopath. Not like it shows up on an xray, blood test or ultrasound.\nThe guy who shot his neighbors because their music was too loud is most likely a fucking psycho who was utterly incable of empathy or has a serious mental health problem with reality. Either way, not sure why his family should go to jail. \nPlenty of us have nothing to do with our families because we do have sociopaths in them, and they've caused us enough harm already. Why would you think we deserve to be tortured further for their decisions?? Sociopaths are notorious for believing nothing is their fault. Everyone else should suffer, and they never take accountable. So why give them another out?? Hold criminals responsible not their families", ">\n\nThere are medically defined diagnoses of sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour. \nThere's no x-ray, blood test or ultrasound to detect schizophrenia, Asbergers or autism, but we know these conditions exist. \nAnyway, you're missing my point completely. Let's leave it. You sound too young or angry and incapable of a reasonable discussion.", ">\n\nMedically defined, but not so easily diagnosed. That's key. \nI'M incapable of a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks family members of those who commit atrocities should be punished instead of the actual criminal??🤣🤣🤣 You're projecting, cupcake. You're not even capable of critical thinking, let alone being \"reasonable\"", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\"\n\nSad when parents have to be on high alert at a \"family fun day,\" not knowing if shitheads are about to engage in a gunfight over what I'm sure was a stupid i issue.", ">\n\nWe're in the finding out phase of fucking around with looser gun restrictions.\nEdit: lol downvoted for pointing out the obvious. Never change America... otherwise we might have nice things.", ">\n\nI said nothing about assault weapons.", ">\n\nYou can bet that the people doing the shooting were carrying those guns illegally. It’s almost as if violent criminals don’t care about gun laws.\nI’m not saying we don’t need gun law reform, I’m just saying you shouldn’t expect anything to change if we pass them.", ">\n\nWell, yes and no. It’s easy to look abroad and make comparisons, but in 99% of cases there is 1 distinct difference. They never had any/many guns to begin with. We also shouldn’t forget to mention all the countries that have lots of guns, but little/no gun crime.\nDoing nothing isn’t the answer (I’m not a 2a proponent), but it’s a much more complicated issue that just guns. Easy access to firearms is a big issue, but so is rampant income equality, a dwindling underfunded educational system, generational poverty, etc. the stats are easy to find, we know that the vast majority of violent gun crime (Excl suicide) happens in impoverished urban areas. With more guns than people in this country, any laws that manage to get passed (let’s be real, it’s unlikely) will take multiple decades to take affect. So let’s also focus on all the other too.", ">\n\nThere are lots of them. Canada, Iceland, Finland, Austria, Norway to name a few.", ">\n\nWas from the hood. No longer go to many hood events cuz of this. The vast majority of people are great, but there are just so many young kids who just don’t give a fuck.\nEdit: changed “am” to “was”. I think it’s important to the comment to make it known I’m no longer in the hood.", ">\n\nTbh it’s not just young kids but young men. So many dudes get stuck in the game and it’s their only way to live.", ">\n\nIt’s sad and insane that I read the cause was gang related and thought “oh good, at least it wasn’t a hate crime.”", ">\n\nDonno about that, someone was being a hater to get shot... I'll see myself out.", ">\n\nJFC, nice “family event”.", ">\n\nDamnit. I often click on stories like this from Florida, morbidly curious if it happens to be anyone I know. Which is silly, as it’s a big state and I live in a tiny town. \nSo imagine my surprise to learn of a mass shooting in my tiny town via national news coverage on Reddit. I checked the local paper, but it doesn’t seem to have any new or updated information that this CBS News article doesn’t already share. \nIs it too early to drink yet?", ">\n\nI grew up in that town as well. Not that gangs aren’t present, but it’s more likely just an argument occurred. People in that town are very quickly to get violent for no reason. 90% lack the brain cells to do anything else", ">\n\nShit like this is why the aliens lock their doors when they pass by Earth", ">\n\nVulcans are like \"Yea, we are going to pass on this one.\"", ">\n\nYou know you are on a bad street if its named after MLK", ">\n\nBro you're functionally illiterate", ">\n\nThis happened yesterday, or 27 shootings ago Florida time", ">\n\nExcuse me. There have only been six mass shootings in Florida this year... that we are only 17 days into....", ">\n\nI hope they all pull through", ">\n\nI hope they catch everyone involved and everyone who tries to protect and or hide these people.", ">\n\nFt. Pierce, although recently going through gentrification, has always been a wretched hive of scum and villainy.", ">\n\nJust another day in the US", ">\n\nI scrolled for 20 minutes and this is the first reporting of this I’ve seen. It’s crazy how normal this has become", ">\n\nSo there were two cops posted at the event and neither of them were able to see who the shooters were.\nI don't blame them for that, but their presence there served no purpose other than being glorified security guards at that point. They did, however, provide first aid, so that's something! They were NOT a deterrent for gun violence, clearly.\nWhat's true is that civilians with guns (not sure if they're legal or not) complicated matters for the cops.\nAre guns really that effective in preventing shootouts like this? This is Florida too.\nBut of course people are more worried about their guns being taken away than addressing the huge elephant in the room - responsibility", ">\n\nThey weren't a deterrent because criminals now realize they have the upper hand in the criminal system... no repercussions to fear.", ">\n\nSo the so-called justice system has failed on all levels. Cops are not trusted by the people. The courts don't make the right rulings. People are voting for the wrong people and would die on a hill for them.\nAnd then there's people on Reddit who will neg vote what they don't like to read, not whether the content makes sense or not.", ">\n\nWhat did you think was going to happen lol", ">\n\nClassic America. We will reconvene tomorrow in the comment section of another shooting", ">\n\nWait, what was that? I'm sorry I zoned out for a moment. Ummm, I think I've got a different meeting scheduled for the next shooting, but I'm sure to catch you at the shooting after that, so shouldn't be too long.", ">\n\nI feel like we are really overfilling the cup with how much bullshit we can take.\nGuns are great, they’re fun, when used properly by sane minded individuals(which is the hard part). Issue is we have a massive mental health issue on top of an insane amount of weapons that can be used to quickly dispose of innocent people going about their day.\nI mean one day your walking through your campus listening to your favorite tunes, and the next second you have a hole in your throat with 4 more subsequent holes in your body. Bleeding out on the ground, pool of blood, last thoughts of ?!??!&!?)$!?. Fuck that\nThe right to own a gun should be strictly given and easily taken Away. I’m sick of this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear this crap of “iTs NoT tHe GuNs” bullshit. I implore you to go watch the footage of the New Zealand masa shooting. If you can stomach it. He walks in and unload multiple mags into cowering people in a corner. I’m at the point where if you can’t see this as a problem you are the god damned problem. Figure this out. I’ve been in two shootings in the last year. I saw someone get shot, this shit sucks.", ">\n\nI'm very pro gun and became more so after working in a community for two weeks that the cops will almost never go to. I no longer even own a functional gun (pos shotgun that doesn't work), but I think law abiding citizens should be able to have them. I would be willing to make concessions, but what exactly would you do about it? At this point I think it's basically too late because disarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens. There are some things that I'm actually very much for such as: requiring background checks, fixing the database, holding parents and the government more responsible, and using the government to incentive training and similar things. I'm sure there are more and there are so many ways these things I suggested could be instituted.", ">\n\n\ndisarming the populace in almost any way would only disarm law abiding citizens.\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\nI agree that there are likely practical, political, and cultural issues that make this sort of action extremely unlikely to ever actually be implemented (or implemented successfully), but the above statement isn't a reason not to. The whole point of any proposed change is specifically to be preventative. \nJailing people after they commit a murder (or negligently leave an unattended weapon somewhere, or have a mental health crisis leading to a suicide, etc) doesn't prevent deaths.", ">\n\n\nEvery negligent gun owner / criminal / mass shooter / DV perpetrator was a \"law abiding citizen\" right up until the moment they weren't.\n\nThis argument is extremely stupid, because every day there are millions of law abiding gun owners that don't become no longer law-abiding. People with common sense and respect for the law will not abuse their right to own a firearm.", ">\n\nAnd the vast, vast majority of restaurant owners keep their kitchens clean and don't serve rotten food to customers. \nYet we still have health code regulations designed to prevent harm.", ">\n\nYeah, and we don't generalize all restaurants by the few bad ones. Thanks for furthering my point with your analogy.", ">\n\nAmerica's per capita murder rate ranks #137 in the world.", ">\n\nI'm seeing it all over the place, depending on the source, from 64th to 187th. This one puts it at 89, between Zambia and Sudan.", ">\n\nNot a surprise really. Even if you have good data (which I'm sure for some countries can be hard to get), there may be differences in how different types of deaths are categories.\nRegardless, when compared to economic/development \"peer\" countries, the US is laughably bad in this regard.", ">\n\n6 people executed in California and Reddit barely cares. \nBut any single incident in Florida….to the top.", ">\n\nClearly there's nothing else about this headline that makes it news. You bottomfeeder.", ">\n\nFlorida is a shithole.", ">\n\nYour country is a fucking dumpster fire.", ">\n\nSo true.", ">\n\nMartin Luther King once had a gun. Here’s why he gave it up.", ">\n\n“He realized no gun would’ve protected him”.. because he believed god would’ve. Dudes house was bombed, it’s absolutely reasonable for him to of wanted something to protect his family after that, but he was also an Prophet of non-violence so I guess it makes sense he didn’t want to own weapons that can cause violence.", ">\n\nThe thing about the \"God will protect me\" crowd is that they either survive and can claim they're right, or they're killed, and it won't matter that they were wrong.", ">\n\nFlorida is the sweaty crotch of the United States!", ">\n\nJustamericathings\nA day in the life music starts playing", ">\n\nWelcome to DeSantis’ America", ">\n\nWould you expect anything less from Florida?", ">\n\nSystemic racism causes these mentalities", ">\n\nEvery single Martin Luther King holiday why are we surprised it should be on a Saturday or a Sunday.", ">\n\nBoondocks had something to say as well", ">\n\nGreat show.", ">\n\nDon’t feed the racists!", ">\n\nInb4 people in the comments saying how they're supposedly against this while STILL supporting guns.", ">\n\n\nShots were fired over a \"disagreement of some sort\" following \"MLK Car Show and Family Fun Day\" at Ilous Ellis Park\n\nSounds more like the \"NRA Car Show and Family Fun Day.\"", ">\n\nHmm… something tells me the shooters weren’t remotely close to NRA members", ">\n\nAnd whys that?", ">\n\nHow many mass shootings have been done by an NRA member?", ">\n\nThey tend to just radicalise other idiots to instead", ">\n\nYeah I bet these two rival gangs that had a gun fight at a MLK celebration were radicalized by the NRA. Lol.", ">\n\nNot what you asked, but whatever", ">\n\nNo you didn’t answer the question I asked. The question was how many mass shootings were done by NRA members. That answer is zero.\nInstead you give some weird answer about how they tend to just radicalize other idiots to instead. Who is the “they” that is radicalizing other idiots? And why aren’t those idiots NRA members who have completely and literally bought into what the NRA says? \nYou would think if the NRA was radicalizing people it would certainly be their members and we would be able to give an example of them committing mass shootings. \nI don’t even like the NRA but I do find it funny that people are pointing to them as the bogeyman during a mass shooting caused by black gang violence.", ">\n\nYou said \"something tells you\" they weren't NRA members, and while you answered me honestly that you think it's because they were black, you didn't answer this person honestly. You responded with a question.\nHow many mass shootings have been done by someone who definitely wasn't an NRA member? I don't recall it ever being mentioned one way or the other.\nIt's the main gun rights lobby, which affects lots of people who aren't members, so it doesn't matter. However, this source indicates that a decent percentage of members are black.", ">\n\nI never made the statement that “something tells me” they weren’t NRA members. \nI don’t remember replying to any of your messages either so I’m not sure what you mean by saying that I answered you honestly. \nI do seriously doubt they were NRA members.", ">\n\nWell, I was wondering when the next mass shooting was gonna happen in 2023." ]

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[ "It is referred to as:Londongrad and the skyline of Kremlin-funded concrete and steel tells the tale." ]

[ "It is referred to as:Londongrad and the skyline of Kremlin-funded concrete and steel tells the tale.", ">\n\nrussia probably making little or no profit at all, but they need to keep the oil flowing, a well is not easy to just close." ]

[ "It is referred to as:Londongrad and the skyline of Kremlin-funded concrete and steel tells the tale.", ">\n\nrussia probably making little or no profit at all, but they need to keep the oil flowing, a well is not easy to just close.", ">\n\nCosts about $40 per barrel. They sell it for $60 under the price cap. 50% profit sounds good to me." ]

[ "It is referred to as:Londongrad and the skyline of Kremlin-funded concrete and steel tells the tale.", ">\n\nrussia probably making little or no profit at all, but they need to keep the oil flowing, a well is not easy to just close.", ">\n\nCosts about $40 per barrel. They sell it for $60 under the price cap. 50% profit sounds good to me.", ">\n\nNice lol" ]

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[ "another way in which to animals we are benevolent or malevolent god like beings.\nthey go from babies to old pets and yet we don't seem to age much to them, beings of long life.\nwe make noises at each other, so many noises back and forth, so many different noises that we must seem alien to the animal.\nwe get in giant metal boxes and make them move faster than any pet alive seemingly with no effort.\nwe have magic.\nthe power to make bright a dark space instantly and take that light away.\nmagic bricks that make noises we contort our faces at sometimes in happiness and others sadness or anger.\nwe can provide seemingly infinite amounts of food from apparently no where, we just dissapear one day and reappear with more food.\nsame with water. we touch the wall and bam, water just comes out, until we touch the wall again.\nwe make other pets appear again just dissapear one day and boom, reappear with an entirely different species from thin air.\ndogs, and cats, if they had any sentience at all would perceive us as incredibly powerful beings of mystery, akin to in the very least sorcerer's and at the very most. gods." ]

[ "another way in which to animals we are benevolent or malevolent god like beings.\nthey go from babies to old pets and yet we don't seem to age much to them, beings of long life.\nwe make noises at each other, so many noises back and forth, so many different noises that we must seem alien to the animal.\nwe get in giant metal boxes and make them move faster than any pet alive seemingly with no effort.\nwe have magic.\nthe power to make bright a dark space instantly and take that light away.\nmagic bricks that make noises we contort our faces at sometimes in happiness and others sadness or anger.\nwe can provide seemingly infinite amounts of food from apparently no where, we just dissapear one day and reappear with more food.\nsame with water. we touch the wall and bam, water just comes out, until we touch the wall again.\nwe make other pets appear again just dissapear one day and boom, reappear with an entirely different species from thin air.\ndogs, and cats, if they had any sentience at all would perceive us as incredibly powerful beings of mystery, akin to in the very least sorcerer's and at the very most. gods.", ">\n\nDamn what an awesome comment dude! If I had gold I’d gild ya! Love this" ]

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[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all." ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party." ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators" ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators", ">\n\n“Their ambition to climb the ladder in a campaign or politician’s office is almost always fueled by a desire to make the world a better place. They admire and are often in awe of those in positions of authority and influence.\nThis creates an ideal environment for a predator. Late nights in an office phone-banking, long drives around the district for voter events, and mixing and mingling with powerful, high-dollar donors are all part of the job. They also provide openings for career advancement—and abuse.”" ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators", ">\n\n“Their ambition to climb the ladder in a campaign or politician’s office is almost always fueled by a desire to make the world a better place. They admire and are often in awe of those in positions of authority and influence.\nThis creates an ideal environment for a predator. Late nights in an office phone-banking, long drives around the district for voter events, and mixing and mingling with powerful, high-dollar donors are all part of the job. They also provide openings for career advancement—and abuse.”", ">\n\nOl' Matt likes to Schlapp that crotch!" ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators", ">\n\n“Their ambition to climb the ladder in a campaign or politician’s office is almost always fueled by a desire to make the world a better place. They admire and are often in awe of those in positions of authority and influence.\nThis creates an ideal environment for a predator. Late nights in an office phone-banking, long drives around the district for voter events, and mixing and mingling with powerful, high-dollar donors are all part of the job. They also provide openings for career advancement—and abuse.”", ">\n\nOl' Matt likes to Schlapp that crotch!", ">\n\nOUR culture?" ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators", ">\n\n“Their ambition to climb the ladder in a campaign or politician’s office is almost always fueled by a desire to make the world a better place. They admire and are often in awe of those in positions of authority and influence.\nThis creates an ideal environment for a predator. Late nights in an office phone-banking, long drives around the district for voter events, and mixing and mingling with powerful, high-dollar donors are all part of the job. They also provide openings for career advancement—and abuse.”", ">\n\nOl' Matt likes to Schlapp that crotch!", ">\n\nOUR culture?", ">\n\n\n“The staffer said the incident occurred the night of Oct. 19, when Schlapp… ‘groped’ and ‘fondled’ his crotch in his car against his will after buying him drinks at two different bars.”\n\nsomeone needs the schit to schlapped out of him" ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators", ">\n\n“Their ambition to climb the ladder in a campaign or politician’s office is almost always fueled by a desire to make the world a better place. They admire and are often in awe of those in positions of authority and influence.\nThis creates an ideal environment for a predator. Late nights in an office phone-banking, long drives around the district for voter events, and mixing and mingling with powerful, high-dollar donors are all part of the job. They also provide openings for career advancement—and abuse.”", ">\n\nOl' Matt likes to Schlapp that crotch!", ">\n\nOUR culture?", ">\n\n\n“The staffer said the incident occurred the night of Oct. 19, when Schlapp… ‘groped’ and ‘fondled’ his crotch in his car against his will after buying him drinks at two different bars.”\n\nsomeone needs the schit to schlapped out of him", ">\n\nSchlapp is such a sleaze ball!" ]

[ "We don’t protect predators.\nRepublicans protect predators.\nLearn the difference.\nThat is all.", ">\n\nAs long as the Republican Party finds him useful they will do whatever they can to defend him. As disgusting as it is it's in no way as bad as what Trump was able to get away with and Trump is still the leader of that Party.\nHell, take a look at Wayne LaPierre has been able to get away with the NRA and not only do they keep re-electing him they are also now paying his individual legal bills. The NRA now collects less money because what he has done and now they spend more on his individual legal bills as well.\nIt really shouldn't be surprising that the Republican Party does despicable things just take a look at the people and leaders of the Republican Party.", ">\n\nGrand Ole Predators", ">\n\n“Their ambition to climb the ladder in a campaign or politician’s office is almost always fueled by a desire to make the world a better place. They admire and are often in awe of those in positions of authority and influence.\nThis creates an ideal environment for a predator. Late nights in an office phone-banking, long drives around the district for voter events, and mixing and mingling with powerful, high-dollar donors are all part of the job. They also provide openings for career advancement—and abuse.”", ">\n\nOl' Matt likes to Schlapp that crotch!", ">\n\nOUR culture?", ">\n\n\n“The staffer said the incident occurred the night of Oct. 19, when Schlapp… ‘groped’ and ‘fondled’ his crotch in his car against his will after buying him drinks at two different bars.”\n\nsomeone needs the schit to schlapped out of him", ">\n\nSchlapp is such a sleaze ball!", ">\n\nIt’s always the Matts." ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nIntentional or unintentional? And do animals or fish count? Would a chef cooking a lobster be equivalent to murderer? If you smoked every day and die of lung cancer, would that count as a \"kill\"?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nIntentional or unintentional? And do animals or fish count? Would a chef cooking a lobster be equivalent to murderer? If you smoked every day and die of lung cancer, would that count as a \"kill\"?", ">\n\nI think that'd count as a negative kill, -1\nOr would that be a team kill? Who does reality recognize as your team?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nIntentional or unintentional? And do animals or fish count? Would a chef cooking a lobster be equivalent to murderer? If you smoked every day and die of lung cancer, would that count as a \"kill\"?", ">\n\nI think that'd count as a negative kill, -1\nOr would that be a team kill? Who does reality recognize as your team?", ">\n\nAre hunters basically the predator?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nIntentional or unintentional? And do animals or fish count? Would a chef cooking a lobster be equivalent to murderer? If you smoked every day and die of lung cancer, would that count as a \"kill\"?", ">\n\nI think that'd count as a negative kill, -1\nOr would that be a team kill? Who does reality recognize as your team?", ">\n\nAre hunters basically the predator?", ">\n\nCorollary: except in extreme cases, everyone dies with a whole number KDA" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nIntentional or unintentional? And do animals or fish count? Would a chef cooking a lobster be equivalent to murderer? If you smoked every day and die of lung cancer, would that count as a \"kill\"?", ">\n\nI think that'd count as a negative kill, -1\nOr would that be a team kill? Who does reality recognize as your team?", ">\n\nAre hunters basically the predator?", ">\n\nCorollary: except in extreme cases, everyone dies with a whole number KDA", ">\n\nJust humans? Yes probably. Plants, ants, animals/hunting, etc? No" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nIntentional or unintentional? And do animals or fish count? Would a chef cooking a lobster be equivalent to murderer? If you smoked every day and die of lung cancer, would that count as a \"kill\"?", ">\n\nI think that'd count as a negative kill, -1\nOr would that be a team kill? Who does reality recognize as your team?", ">\n\nAre hunters basically the predator?", ">\n\nCorollary: except in extreme cases, everyone dies with a whole number KDA", ">\n\nJust humans? Yes probably. Plants, ants, animals/hunting, etc? No", ">\n\nYour maths ain't quite right sir" ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLol, short answer:No. \nLong answer: Well yes, probably." ]

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[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa", ">\n\nThis seems like misrepresenting risk and worth to investors." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa", ">\n\nThis seems like misrepresenting risk and worth to investors.", ">\n\nHow is this not fraud for a public company? The CEO said that these were the capabilities of the vehicle and that's patently false.\nThere's no doubt that investors saw this as a demonstration of the product's capabilities and invested accordingly. Especially since Tesla has been positioning itself as a \"tech\" company rather than a car company. \nThis is fake, misleading, and still not present in Tesla vehicles.\nNext you're going to tell me we won't start colonizing Mars this year." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa", ">\n\nThis seems like misrepresenting risk and worth to investors.", ">\n\nHow is this not fraud for a public company? The CEO said that these were the capabilities of the vehicle and that's patently false.\nThere's no doubt that investors saw this as a demonstration of the product's capabilities and invested accordingly. Especially since Tesla has been positioning itself as a \"tech\" company rather than a car company. \nThis is fake, misleading, and still not present in Tesla vehicles.\nNext you're going to tell me we won't start colonizing Mars this year.", ">\n\nThe same way all of the other tings he lied about, like deliveries, cash on hand and burn rate, weren't considered fraud. Because the SEC isn't doing their job." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa", ">\n\nThis seems like misrepresenting risk and worth to investors.", ">\n\nHow is this not fraud for a public company? The CEO said that these were the capabilities of the vehicle and that's patently false.\nThere's no doubt that investors saw this as a demonstration of the product's capabilities and invested accordingly. Especially since Tesla has been positioning itself as a \"tech\" company rather than a car company. \nThis is fake, misleading, and still not present in Tesla vehicles.\nNext you're going to tell me we won't start colonizing Mars this year.", ">\n\nThe same way all of the other tings he lied about, like deliveries, cash on hand and burn rate, weren't considered fraud. Because the SEC isn't doing their job.", ">\n\nAnd neither did the NHTSA or FTC; Tesla's marketing has been in direct confliction with their legalese terms of use this whole time and regulators have done NOTHING about it.\nMy cynical view is that Republicans did nothing because they brag about letting corporations run the country and Democrats did nothing, basking in Musk's lies that would have crumbled under any scrutiny, until he started openly calling for their heads last year." ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa", ">\n\nThis seems like misrepresenting risk and worth to investors.", ">\n\nHow is this not fraud for a public company? The CEO said that these were the capabilities of the vehicle and that's patently false.\nThere's no doubt that investors saw this as a demonstration of the product's capabilities and invested accordingly. Especially since Tesla has been positioning itself as a \"tech\" company rather than a car company. \nThis is fake, misleading, and still not present in Tesla vehicles.\nNext you're going to tell me we won't start colonizing Mars this year.", ">\n\nThe same way all of the other tings he lied about, like deliveries, cash on hand and burn rate, weren't considered fraud. Because the SEC isn't doing their job.", ">\n\nAnd neither did the NHTSA or FTC; Tesla's marketing has been in direct confliction with their legalese terms of use this whole time and regulators have done NOTHING about it.\nMy cynical view is that Republicans did nothing because they brag about letting corporations run the country and Democrats did nothing, basking in Musk's lies that would have crumbled under any scrutiny, until he started openly calling for their heads last year.", ">\n\nAu contraire, is quite busy with more important matters /s" ]

[ "Fully Self Driving! Coming “Soon” in 2015.", ">\n\ni'd like to go back to 2015.", ">\n\nFuck that, if we are going back take me back to 1992, those years fucking rocked", ">\n\n90’s looked like it was a good time to be alive this is coming from a younger person", ">\n\nIt was. Businesses sought to put the customer first in many situations generally leaving the consumer with the advantage, a single income could afford a family to live comfortably (generally), music and television was really breaking into the scene with recording tech getting better and there were no mobile devices, meaning people interacted more with each other. \nIt was just comfortable. \nIf your mom wasn't sleeping with everyone she could find leaving two young children to wonder what they did wrong and watch it eat their dad alive, that is.", ">\n\nAs long as you weren't colored it sure was great", ">\n\nThis always perplexes me! It seems like racism is more of a thing today than it was back then. This is even coming from someone that grew up in Mississippi. We seemed to just... coexist. Sure there were the occasional hillbilly trash that only existed to make others that didn't look like them miserable, but the communities always seemed to hate those folks.\nBut I was also young at the time. Through 2004, I never saw as much racism as I do today. It's really sad. I hope you didn't have to go through a lot of it.", ">\n\nIt was so much more hidden back then. Now it's out in the open and everybody recognizes the micro aggressions but my name was literally \"flat face\" until I moved out of New Jersey. They called my ching Chong all the time even though Im Vietnamese. Countless incidents that due to a TBI I probably don't even remember anymore. \nWe tolerated it more because it was so common place. Then we stopped tolerating it and that's what you're seeing now", ">\n\nThis is great perspective - we couldn't so easily interact with everyone, so it must have been a lot more contained. Now everyone feels like they have a soap box and throw their opinions all over social media and I can see where the anonymity can make racism so much worse today.\nAnd sorry you had to go through that. I was the only red head in my school and got it bad, too. The one good thing about being red headed is - white, black, yellow or green... Everyone seems to all come together when there's a ginger joke to be made lol. Eeerrybody gets offended at classifications, but when the ginger guy shows up, the masses are united.\nSigh..lol", ">\n\nThat was a great exchange. I'm glad I got to read it.", ">\n\nI'm beginning to believe this Musk fellow lacks integrity.", ">\n\nDid he buy Twitter to hide the market manipulation?", ">\n\nHe bought Twitter because his bot nets were being detected. It's not a coincidence that the whole thing started shortly after investigative reporters showed how bot nets were amplifying his messages in conjunction with major upward swings in the price of Tesla.", ">\n\nWhile it is true he was doing this, the reason for the purchase seems like it's even dumber.\nBasically he was chatting with Twitter board members when he was considering joining the board, including Jack Dorsey, about how to improve Twitter. While this was happening, he was tweeting out some anti Twitter stuff. Jack told him that \"you can tweet what you want, but this isn't helpful\". This cause Musk to have a meltdown and say \"I can't deal with this bullshit, I'm going to buy Twitter and take it private\".\nYeah. Jack sold Twitter for 4x it's value by respectfully speaking to Elon like he was an adult while he was behaving like an edgy teenager on his website.", ">\n\nParag told him that, not Dorsey if I remember correctly.", ">\n\nThanks for the correction, I thought it was Dorsey.", ">\n\nIts extremely pertinent though as Musk respects Dorsey and seemingly has less than zero respect for Parag.", ">\n\nA guy who grew up in apartheid south Africa doesn't respect a person of color? Say it ain't so!", ">\n\nHey dude, I get what you mean by this post but there’s a whole lot being said here that I think you probably don’t mean.\nI’m literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa” my mom was a PoC and my dad was white, she had to endure the pencil test (look it up) in order to marry him when she discovered she was pregnant or they could both face jail time and possible ‘disappearance’ by the SAP. If I’d turned out like a single shade darker the same fate could have befallen them. \nMy dad was active in the struggle and I have a half brother who we kept a secret because he was too brown. They are both literally “A guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa.”\nThis country has a very dark, painful history so all I’m asking is that you consider what you are invoking when you use this line against Elon who, I totally agree is one of the more reprehensible characters of our time.", ">\n\nI'm pretty sure op meant Elon was a rich white person in apartheid South Africa", ">\n\nThis seems like misrepresenting risk and worth to investors.", ">\n\nHow is this not fraud for a public company? The CEO said that these were the capabilities of the vehicle and that's patently false.\nThere's no doubt that investors saw this as a demonstration of the product's capabilities and invested accordingly. Especially since Tesla has been positioning itself as a \"tech\" company rather than a car company. \nThis is fake, misleading, and still not present in Tesla vehicles.\nNext you're going to tell me we won't start colonizing Mars this year.", ">\n\nThe same way all of the other tings he lied about, like deliveries, cash on hand and burn rate, weren't considered fraud. Because the SEC isn't doing their job.", ">\n\nAnd neither did the NHTSA or FTC; Tesla's marketing has been in direct confliction with their legalese terms of use this whole time and regulators have done NOTHING about it.\nMy cynical view is that Republicans did nothing because they brag about letting corporations run the country and Democrats did nothing, basking in Musk's lies that would have crumbled under any scrutiny, until he started openly calling for their heads last year.", ">\n\nAu contraire, is quite busy with more important matters /s", ">\n\nTime for a false advertising lawsuit on top of the growing pile of lawsuits aimed at Musk" ]