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I'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views.
I was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.
I was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a "team." He knew Trump had no team.
When he said to me, "You were right," I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican."
] |
>
Good on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me."
] |
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Once the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around."
] |
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You aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near."
] |
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Oh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny."
] |
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"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!" - DJT | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination"
] |
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They already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT"
] |
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Sometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump."
] |
>
The ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.
What a telling representation of a mature statesman. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old."
] |
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So if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to? | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman."
] |
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Mammon. AKA wealth and power. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?"
] |
>
Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Jesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.
It used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power."
] |
>
And, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had."
] |
>
Trump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god."
] |
>
So he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point? | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up."
] |
>
Without evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.
Evangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?"
] |
>
They got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.
Kind of like he does with his wives. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it."
] |
>
I’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives."
] |
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If there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion"
] |
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run a third party campaign
Do you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing"
] |
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Hey, however we get there as long as we get there. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too."
] |
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So, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him.
There is no honor among thieves! | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there."
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Wait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong? | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!"
] |
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They will be saying it again next year. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?"
] |
>
And just like that, he wasn't sent by god. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year."
] |
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Get in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god."
] |
>
I am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year."
] |
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Sounds like a toxic relationship | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works."
] |
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MFs deserve each other. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship"
] |
>
The cheese stands alone. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other."
] |
>
Trump: but I thought I was your savior now... | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone."
] |
>
The religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now..."
] |
>
Sadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao"
] |
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Me who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3: | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby."
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Probably the most disloyal sob in human history screaming about the disloyalty of others...... | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby.",
">\n\nMe who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3:"
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They will come crawling back to Daddy once he gets the nomination. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby.",
">\n\nMe who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3:",
">\n\nProbably the most disloyal sob in human history screaming about the disloyalty of others......"
] |
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Ahh yes because churches are supposed to be involved in, checks notes.... Politics?... | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby.",
">\n\nMe who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3:",
">\n\nProbably the most disloyal sob in human history screaming about the disloyalty of others......",
">\n\nThey will come crawling back to Daddy once he gets the nomination."
] |
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Disloyal is an odd word for a feckless sociopath who’s only loyalty is to his image. Not his person, there’s not enough there to cling to. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby.",
">\n\nMe who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3:",
">\n\nProbably the most disloyal sob in human history screaming about the disloyalty of others......",
">\n\nThey will come crawling back to Daddy once he gets the nomination.",
">\n\nAhh yes because churches are supposed to be involved in, checks notes.... Politics?..."
] |
>
Turds throwing shit at each other. | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby.",
">\n\nMe who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3:",
">\n\nProbably the most disloyal sob in human history screaming about the disloyalty of others......",
">\n\nThey will come crawling back to Daddy once he gets the nomination.",
">\n\nAhh yes because churches are supposed to be involved in, checks notes.... Politics?...",
">\n\nDisloyal is an odd word for a feckless sociopath who’s only loyalty is to his image. Not his person, there’s not enough there to cling to."
] |
> | [
"Not because evangelicals have had a \"come to Jesus\" moment...they just believe they can gain more money and power with someone else.",
">\n\nBut definitely not Jesus Christ - he was a brown socialist refugee who was killed by the state. Maybe white Jesus.\nThank you for the award.",
">\n\nJesus was jewish.\nWhich means the the right consider him white but would actually consider him a brown, socialist agitator if he came back.\nWhile the left consider him as having been brown but if he came back today to inherit the kingdom of David he'd be a white, apartheid coloniser.",
">\n\nHaving a poor opinion of Israel's domestic policy does not translate into a poor opinion of Jews. Were Jesus of Nasereth to make an appearance today, he'd start by washing the feet of every Palestinian he could find.",
">\n\n\nTrump slams the religious right for being “disloyal”\n\nTheir whole thing is ostensibly following Jesus’ teachings and they can’t even stick to that so, yeah? Shoulda seen this coming.",
">\n\nThe church feels satans burn from this fuckface.",
">\n\nI can't even tell you how much I would love for my religious parents to break up with Trump and his ideas.",
">\n\nThey may part from trump, but I fear the core beliefs are too ingrained.",
">\n\nExactly this. My parents have become disgusted by trump but they are absolutely not going to ever be a Democrat like me….. despite the hypocrisy of being a Christian and being a Republican.",
">\n\nI'm so grateful my dad flipped. I couldn't believe it at the time, but now I know his appreciation for critical thinking is the reason that I am who I am. He always challenged my views. \nI was a natural tree hugger, and he would always toss points in that made me think, but he never derided me for who I was. He just asked me pointed questions. He just always insisted I think everything through to how it affected people in society and what priorities everyone should have, and what it meant I believed.\nI was on the fence for my first eligible presidential election at 19, Obama vs. McCain. McCain seemed like a good man. (I voted for Obama). I didn't have much knowledge of politics... but He voted for Trump in 2016. He didn't think he could do much damage. I argued with him, but to no avail. In 2020, he voted Democrat for the first time in his life. I was debating other family.members on my dad's side for the first time. It was wild... but it really made me proud. He stuck by what he valued and believing the constitution and American values mattered more than a \"team.\" He knew Trump had no team.\nWhen he said to me, \"You were right,\" I thought I might stop fucking breathing, lol. It meant a lot and made me so glad he raised me.",
">\n\nGood on you for sticking to your values, and good on your Dad for coming back around.",
">\n\nOnce the Teflon starts to flake off, the end is near.",
">\n\nYou aren't the first messiah they've completely abandoned Donny.",
">\n\nOh they'll come back around to him if he wins the nomination",
">\n\n\"I like evil idiots with longer attention spans!\" - DJT",
">\n\nThey already got what they wanted, which is stuffing the supreme court with religious nut-jobs. They have no more use for Trump.",
">\n\nSometimes I have to remind myself that this man is in his 70's. He talks like a 17 year old.",
">\n\nThe ol’ you can’t quite I’m firing you trick.\nWhat a telling representation of a mature statesman.",
">\n\nSo if they're not loyal to Trump, I wonder who they are loyal to?",
">\n\nMammon. AKA wealth and power.",
">\n\nMatthew 6:24\n\nNo one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.\n\nJesus is pretty explicit about his feelings on the matter, but for some reason evangelical moral crusades are always focused on what other people do with their bits instead of what they are doing to make the world a better place for the destitute and downtrodden.\nIt used to be that usury was a grave sin; now our economy is built on it. It turns out that morals are pretty flexible when there's profit to be made or power to be had.",
">\n\nAnd, unfortunately, a lot of these folks have managed to convince themselves — or at least convinced their congregations and constituents — that consolidating money and power is a critical step toward serving their god.",
">\n\nTrump served them well. Now, they will move on to another faux messiah. Keep those followers hyped up.",
">\n\nSo he's now called Jews disloyal. Evangelicals disloyal. Catholics disloyal. He's banned Muslims from the country. I guess he's going for the Buddhist vote at this point?",
">\n\nWithout evangelicals, he would only get about 10% of the vote.\nEvangelicals will be back worshipping him once he gets the nomination. I'd bet my life savings on it.",
">\n\nThey got what they wanted from him, then cast him aside.\nKind of like he does with his wives.",
">\n\nI’m just over here in shock that evangelicals are even a thing. Christianity is a mass delusion",
">\n\nIf there is a God above, please let Trump break with the GOP for being disloyal, and run a third party campaign that breaks the GOP in 24 and leaves Republicans holding almost nothing",
">\n\n\nrun a third party campaign\n\nDo you realize how much money and work that would take. He'll more likely just tell his base it's rigged and don't bother to vote, which could work too.",
">\n\nHey, however we get there as long as we get there.",
">\n\nSo, professional grifters are dumping another grifter because they do t see that they can profit enough from him. \nThere is no honor among thieves!",
">\n\nWait, I thought God chose this guy... How do you back away from that... Of course, without admitting you were wrong?",
">\n\nThey will be saying it again next year.",
">\n\nAnd just like that, he wasn't sent by god.",
">\n\nGet in bed with the devil don’t be surprised when he sticks two fingers in your butt and screams happy new year.",
">\n\nI am totally agree. Their loyalty is about politics, not religion so of course a religious leader would not want to be involved with someone pushing religion. That’s just not how American Christianity works.",
">\n\nSounds like a toxic relationship",
">\n\nMFs deserve each other.",
">\n\nThe cheese stands alone.",
">\n\nTrump: but I thought I was your savior now...",
">\n\nThe religious right literally died for you, went to jail for you and many lost all contact with their families as they slid into their neurosis. Lmao",
">\n\nSadly this criminal still gets the attention he needs from the media. As long as his face or words are in the news cycle his narcissism will continue to feed. It's gross that he hasn't been charged for all of the crimes he's still getting away with. He's never been held accountable for his actions and it shows. Giant overprivileged man baby.",
">\n\nMe who only knows of the word evangelicals cuz of Vicky 3:",
">\n\nProbably the most disloyal sob in human history screaming about the disloyalty of others......",
">\n\nThey will come crawling back to Daddy once he gets the nomination.",
">\n\nAhh yes because churches are supposed to be involved in, checks notes.... Politics?...",
">\n\nDisloyal is an odd word for a feckless sociopath who’s only loyalty is to his image. Not his person, there’s not enough there to cling to.",
">\n\nTurds throwing shit at each other."
] |
No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught.
It is always the same thing with them. | [] |
>
"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... "
Kevin McCarthy, | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them."
] |
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You know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,"
] |
>
"Corrected it"? When did that happen? What's the newest version? | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it."
] |
>
And based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?"
] |
>
And he's giving the liar committees anyway. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office."
] |
>
Bullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway."
] |
>
Any questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care."
] |
>
Which font is that?
Kevin McCarthy | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes."
] |
>
I had questions about his resume. Like:
Why did you give me this?
Why would I want to read it?
Why do you think I care what’s on it? | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy"
] |
>
And yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?"
] |
>
Kevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee."
] |
>
But he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed"
] |
>
Not that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity."
] |
>
I had a few questions about
McCarthy
Now I know, he's just Dumb. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement."
] |
>
oughta get 'em answered | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb."
] |
>
’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’
Is the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang? | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered"
] |
>
"When can you start?" | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered",
">\n\n\n’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’\n\n\nIs the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang?"
] |
>
Fckin asshole then gives him two committee seats. | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered",
">\n\n\n’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’\n\n\nIs the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang?",
">\n\n\"When can you start?\""
] |
>
Yet fuckstick mc worthless appointed him to committees to burn the libs. Holy shit Canada looks better every day | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered",
">\n\n\n’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’\n\n\nIs the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang?",
">\n\n\"When can you start?\"",
">\n\nFckin asshole then gives him two committee seats."
] |
>
That’s why he appointed the POS to two committees 🤮🤮🤮 | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered",
">\n\n\n’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’\n\n\nIs the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang?",
">\n\n\"When can you start?\"",
">\n\nFckin asshole then gives him two committee seats.",
">\n\nYet fuckstick mc worthless appointed him to committees to burn the libs. Holy shit Canada looks better every day"
] |
>
Oh did you | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered",
">\n\n\n’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’\n\n\nIs the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang?",
">\n\n\"When can you start?\"",
">\n\nFckin asshole then gives him two committee seats.",
">\n\nYet fuckstick mc worthless appointed him to committees to burn the libs. Holy shit Canada looks better every day",
">\n\nThat’s why he appointed the POS to two committees 🤮🤮🤮"
] |
> | [
"No he did not and if he did he didn't care. The GOP got caught. \nIt is always the same thing with them.",
">\n\n\"Sure. I had questions. But also, no spine, or sense of ethics, and a lot of ambitions. So, you know... *shrugs... \"\n\nKevin McCarthy,",
">\n\nYou know, I didn’t know about that. It happened — I know they corrected it, but I was not notified about that until a later date,” he said, noting that he had spoken to Santos about it.",
">\n\n\"Corrected it\"? When did that happen? What's the newest version?",
">\n\nAnd based on what he found, he decided the best course is to dismantle the congressional ethics office.",
">\n\nAnd he's giving the liar committees anyway.",
">\n\nBullshit, he found out about this after someone decided to care.",
">\n\nAny questions he may have had were overruled by his desperation for Republican votes.",
">\n\n\nWhich font is that?\n\nKevin McCarthy",
">\n\nI had questions about his resume. Like:\nWhy did you give me this?\nWhy would I want to read it?\nWhy do you think I care what’s on it?",
">\n\nAnd yet, he has no problem with the fraud being on a committee.",
">\n\nKevin McCarthy being okay with Santos being in office despite paying a guy to pretend he was McCarthy's top aide so he could fundraise is pretty par for course for a guy who kissed Donnie's mushroom peen ring days after the guy could have gotten him killed",
">\n\nBut he didn't care to ask those questions. Because winning is more important than ethics or integrity.",
">\n\nNot that we need another reason to question McCarthy's judgement, but if he did actually have doubts that he didn't act on we have to seriously question McCarthy's judgement.",
">\n\nI had a few questions about \nMcCarthy\nNow I know, he's just Dumb.",
">\n\noughta get 'em answered",
">\n\n\n’Always Had A Few Questions’ About George Santos’\n\n\nIs the public wise to Santos lies? 2. How long until the damn bursts? Can you put pressure on the POS reporters to make sure nothing of substance comes out until that little f** votes for my precious? After I’m king should I feign concern? Say innocent until proven guilty l? Not care? Do you think I should ask for Trumps advice before or after I suck his orange wang?",
">\n\n\"When can you start?\"",
">\n\nFckin asshole then gives him two committee seats.",
">\n\nYet fuckstick mc worthless appointed him to committees to burn the libs. Holy shit Canada looks better every day",
">\n\nThat’s why he appointed the POS to two committees 🤮🤮🤮",
">\n\nOh did you"
] |
Are you down with o.p.p? | [] |
> | [
"Are you down with o.p.p?"
] |
What about 60 do you not like? Lack of arrow keys? | [] |
>
Yes and the the characters over the number keys. So maybe 65 would be better? | [
"What about 60 do you not like? Lack of arrow keys?"
] |
>
You can fix the number/symbol problem by not using F keyscaps on the top row. I would use the standard number keycaps and add a second layer for your function keys.
There are 60% that have arrow pads.
But I use a 65% and I find it to be pretty nice for what I use and what I need. | [
"What about 60 do you not like? Lack of arrow keys?",
">\n\nYes and the the characters over the number keys. So maybe 65 would be better?"
] |
>
Specs? | [
"What about 60 do you not like? Lack of arrow keys?",
">\n\nYes and the the characters over the number keys. So maybe 65 would be better?",
">\n\nYou can fix the number/symbol problem by not using F keyscaps on the top row. I would use the standard number keycaps and add a second layer for your function keys. \nThere are 60% that have arrow pads. \nBut I use a 65% and I find it to be pretty nice for what I use and what I need."
] |
>
Just started using 60% yesterday, I think it’ll be my casual board. Working board needs at least 65%. | [
"What about 60 do you not like? Lack of arrow keys?",
">\n\nYes and the the characters over the number keys. So maybe 65 would be better?",
">\n\nYou can fix the number/symbol problem by not using F keyscaps on the top row. I would use the standard number keycaps and add a second layer for your function keys. \nThere are 60% that have arrow pads. \nBut I use a 65% and I find it to be pretty nice for what I use and what I need.",
">\n\nSpecs?"
] |
> | [
"What about 60 do you not like? Lack of arrow keys?",
">\n\nYes and the the characters over the number keys. So maybe 65 would be better?",
">\n\nYou can fix the number/symbol problem by not using F keyscaps on the top row. I would use the standard number keycaps and add a second layer for your function keys. \nThere are 60% that have arrow pads. \nBut I use a 65% and I find it to be pretty nice for what I use and what I need.",
">\n\nSpecs?",
">\n\nJust started using 60% yesterday, I think it’ll be my casual board. Working board needs at least 65%."
] |
The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt. | [] |
>
The biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt."
] |
>
Not entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:
rapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft
military hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's
Both those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:
military history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape
trainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements
records show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey"
] |
>
military hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's
Are we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide."
] |
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I suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-) | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles."
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Naa, they will go full taliban and use technicals. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)"
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The Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals."
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There's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands"
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That’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common."
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To elaborate on this:
The prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s "modernizing" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient "Battalion Tactical Groups".
The unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some "infantry school" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.
Those units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.
Edit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.
Edit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits).
As of now, the US military does not have a "single replacement" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a "single replacement" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them."
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The US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.
So you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.
But in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were."
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This is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use.
To put things a little differently, there is an old saw about "armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one". The war in Ukraine isn't "ours", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job."
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Yup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.
I suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot."
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The one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like "tanks are useless in the era of Javelins" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone."
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That one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.
Most of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw."
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Planning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down."
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I'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad ! | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however."
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I'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift
Their previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !"
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The problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.
So it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts"
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Has Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war? | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to."
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When you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?"
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I remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head."
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Yeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong."
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Ramirez!! Defend the burger town! | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong.",
">\n\nYeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore."
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Lmao Ramirez single handedly stopped the invasion. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong.",
">\n\nYeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore.",
">\n\nRamirez!! Defend the burger town!"
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Ya if anything, Price launching that EMP at DC probably hurt the American war effort | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong.",
">\n\nYeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore.",
">\n\nRamirez!! Defend the burger town!",
">\n\nLmao Ramirez single handedly stopped the invasion."
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Not to mention killing all the civilians you just fought to protect at the Washington Monument. Knocked every American fighter and helicopter out of the sky as well. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong.",
">\n\nYeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore.",
">\n\nRamirez!! Defend the burger town!",
">\n\nLmao Ramirez single handedly stopped the invasion.",
">\n\nYa if anything, Price launching that EMP at DC probably hurt the American war effort"
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I don't think high altitude nuclear explosion that cause EMPs are dangerous to humans. Unless you're talking about civilians dieing from lack of electricity | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong.",
">\n\nYeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore.",
">\n\nRamirez!! Defend the burger town!",
">\n\nLmao Ramirez single handedly stopped the invasion.",
">\n\nYa if anything, Price launching that EMP at DC probably hurt the American war effort",
">\n\nNot to mention killing all the civilians you just fought to protect at the Washington Monument. Knocked every American fighter and helicopter out of the sky as well."
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They were evacuated via helicopter and all the helicopters in the area crashed after the helicopters' power cut out due to the EMP. | [
"The usual Russian facade. Announce major changes, then either nothing changes or everything goes to shit. You can't do anything in a country that corrupt.",
">\n\nThe biggest change in Russian military wiill be that shoigu gets blue yacht instead of grey",
">\n\nNot entirely true, there are already several different changes ongoing:\n\nrapid cadre rotation: current forces are being phased out as fertilizer and replaced with unmotivated recruits too stupid or too poor to avoid draft\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's\n\nBoth those things have accelerated development of a new Russian soldier training program:\n\nmilitary history is more prominent part of curriculum. Reviving 50-year old gear and adapting repair and maintenance manuals to modern times and part availability is an interdisciplinary endeavor: a bit of archeology, a little practical engineering and a whole lot of religious levels of copium put together with duck-tape\ntrainers have been given a lot of leeway when developing new program: there is nobody to overrule them as the original trainers were sent to Ukrainian front in first waves of reinforcements\nrecords show that new training program produces fully trained soldiers in quarter and sometimes even tenth of the time it used to get semi-trained draftees before. Reminder: questioning what the records show may cause suicide.",
">\n\n\nmilitary hardware is being replaced at rates not seen in decades: as modern-ish tanks, ifv, apcs and artillery is destroyed and breaks down it is increasingly replaced with mothballed designs from the 60's \n\nAre we looking at the same timeline? By 2026 Russia will completely phase out armored vehicles.",
">\n\nI suspect they'll transition to modern, lightweight armored vehicles instead. At the fraction of the weight and price they still offer reasonable protection against bb guns and are easily sourced from civilian population at gunpoint ;-)",
">\n\nNaa, they will go full taliban and use technicals.",
">\n\nThe Taliban has mountains. These fights are in the Windows wallpaper flatlands",
">\n\nThere's a few hilly (and very hilly) areas, but that's mostly in the DPR's Donbas region controlled by Russia atm and the very southern part of Crimea directly east of Sevastapol. The entire area from the Zaporizhia front to Crimea, including Melitool and Mariupol, is very flat although the flat coastal plains become narrower the further east you travel, eventually hugging the coast by Mariupol. Further north the land is still relatively flat but becomes true steppe - gentle rolling hills are very common.",
">\n\nThat’s certainly not correct. Ukraine is making major changes to the Russian armed forces, mainly by killing them.",
">\n\nTo elaborate on this:\nThe prewar Russian military was designed as an active defense force, specifically to fend off a NATO invasion, and certainly not designed to invade and occupy a country the size of Ukraine. The Kremlin had spent billions of dollars since the mid-2000s \"modernizing\" its equipment and, importantly, restructuring its units into theoretically self-sufficient \"Battalion Tactical Groups\".\nThe unit structure here is an important point in the context of the Ukrainian war. As part of Russia's annual conscription cycle, conscripts are sent to local units for training - not to a centralized training location. In other words, conscripts would not go to some \"infantry school\" with its own training staff that every infantryman in the Russian military also goes to, the same way all infantrymen in the US Army go to Fort Benning. They were trained at their local BTG by the contract soldiers in that unit... the same contract soldiers that invaded Ukraine in February last year.\nThose units, especially the contract soldiers within them, have been eviscerated by high casualty rates. Since the May/June time frame, the entire concept of BTGs fighting as discrete units has largely become insolvent. Not only does this mean that many of those units lack a professional cadre of officers in a combat zone... it also means that there is no one to train new conscripts. There is no relief of command. They put their new recruit training apparatus into the meat grinder. This is what happens when the guys fighting are also the same guys training new recruits.\nEdit: To add a historical footnote, the Luftwaffe ran into this same problem toward the mid-end of the Second World War. Instead of recycling successful pilots into an instructor role to train new fighter pilots, the Nazis continued to send them on combat missions. High casualty rates among pilots in general resulted in a “hollowing out” of the Luftwaffe’s aggregate pilot experience pool, meaning that each new pilot being sent up was less well trained than the last. It didn’t matter that Germany was producing more aircraft in 1944 than any other time in the war. Aircraft production doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have trained pilots (and in the Germans’ case, fuel) to fly them.\nEdit 2: to add another point, I think these issues plaguing the Russians highlight the necessity of reform in the US military. Clearly, the Russians believed they could seize Ukraine without incurring major losses; given that their training cadre are the same thing as their frontline combat troops, any major losses could (and did) severely hobble Russian force generation efforts... if they believed they would incur casualties as high as they have, they would arguably not have invaded, at least the way they did, and risk the situation they currently find themselves in (no one to train new recruits). \nAs of now, the US military does not have a \"single replacement\" system for combat losses. We are able to get away with this because since the end of the Cold War, we have not been faced with high-casualty combat or attrition warfare. As such, the US military currently does not have a \"single replacement\" policy for reinforcing units depleted by casualties. If we are ever in a high-attrition or high-casualty war with someone like, say, China, casualty rates will be significantly higher than anything we faced in the GWOT. In its next major war, the US must implement a system where attritted units are able to be replenished with a pool of trained manpower when necessary... instead of being strung out to dry with \\~30% authorized strength in a combat zone, like the Russian units that were routed in September near Kharkiv were.",
">\n\nThe US also has the problem of not having faced enemy artillery or air power in decades. Certainly not effective artillery or air power.\nSo you have this massive emphasis on small unit infantry stuff, because that’s what you use in a counterinsurgency fight.\nBut in terms of actual warfare and killing the enemy, the rifleman is there to occupy space, not to kill. That’s artillery’s job.",
">\n\nThis is very true, but NATO is learning lessons about modern artillery from the war in Ukraine. And because we have an infrastructure of training and education that Russia largely lacks, those can be put to good use. \nTo put things a little differently, there is an old saw about \"armies always try to fight their next war the way they fought their last one\". The war in Ukraine isn't \"ours\", but we're supplying weapons and closely observing their performance, so we're going to learn quite a lot.",
">\n\nYup, we have a much better chance of actually putting lessons learned into practice.\nI suspect that the direction in which training will flow will reverse quite soon. I’ve definitely seen some memes about Ukrainian tankers with a dozen confirmed kills being taught by American tankers who’ve never fired a shot in anger or worked with a drone.",
">\n\nThe one caveat to lessons learned is that Russia never competently practiced combined arms warfare, because they're fucking stupid. Lots of amateurs commentators have said things like \"tanks are useless in the era of Javelins\" , but everyone knew since WWI that tanks have to operate in tandem with infantry. There must be dozens of other tempting but incorrect conclusions to draw.",
">\n\nThat one is definitely true. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff Ukraine is doing which you couldn’t do against a competent force.\nMost of the small drone grenade stuff for one. Everything from jamming to just building real trenches would shut most of that down.",
">\n\nPlanning the future military they thought they already had. I would cut all projections by 2/3 to account for theft and mismanagement however.",
">\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift. ...Of course the whole point of an Oligarchy is that you steal the 'strategic sock money' with a paperwork error (ordering singles instead of pairs) and use it to renovate your Yacht with a second helipad !",
">\n\n\nI'd hate to give free advice to those pricks but seems like they just need basic stuff like enough socks for their troops and standard financial oversights to limit grift\n\nTheir previous minister of defense tried that. He got sacked and replaced by Shoigu for his efforts",
">\n\nThe problem is when the system is this corrupt, everyone is stealing at every level.\nSo it’s not like the money Shoigu doesn’t steal makes it on down to the solider at the front. It gets stolen at every level, down to the truck driver selling off food instead of delivering it, or charging the men he’s delivering to.",
">\n\nHas Shoigu aged like 10 years since the start of the war?",
">\n\nWhen you preside over such a clusterfuck. Who wouldn’t. This guy used to run our FEMA, he managed to become the only Yeltsin era politician who stayed relevant and mostly popular. Boasted about investing a trillion dollars into the military. Must’ve been Zimbabwe dollars. Not to mention he’s a construction engineer by education so he’s already in way over his head.",
">\n\nI remember when CoD and various other games had us convinced that Russia actually had a pretty modern and capable military. Boy were they wrong.",
">\n\nYeah, there's basically no way I can believe that they're capable of taking Burger Town anymore.",
">\n\nRamirez!! Defend the burger town!",
">\n\nLmao Ramirez single handedly stopped the invasion.",
">\n\nYa if anything, Price launching that EMP at DC probably hurt the American war effort",
">\n\nNot to mention killing all the civilians you just fought to protect at the Washington Monument. Knocked every American fighter and helicopter out of the sky as well.",
">\n\nI don't think high altitude nuclear explosion that cause EMPs are dangerous to humans. Unless you're talking about civilians dieing from lack of electricity"
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